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UPDATE: Police Shooting in Loganville

UPDATE: Official statement from Loganville Police Department concerning shooting in Ivy Creek subdivision in Loganville.

A 59-year-old Loganville man was shot dead by police following a domestic incident in Loganville last night.

According to a statement from the , the deceased is Michael Robert Holloway, 59, of 314 Ivy Court, Loganville.

In a released statement, Loganville Police Chief Mike McHugh said at about 10:01 May 9, officers from the Loganville Police Department were despatched to the address concerning a domestic violence incident. Officers were warned by the 911 dispatch that shots could be heard over the phone while they were speaking with the complainant. The suspect was reported to be firing through the door.

"When officers arrived, they were confronted by the gunman in the driveway of the residence. The gunman initially refused to comply with numerous requests to put the weapons down and step away from them," the press release reads. "As other officers arrived and began trying to speak with the suspect, the suspect lay the two weapons down and stepped backways. As officers left their areas of cover in an attempt to move in and take the suspect into custody, the suspect made substantial efforts to retrieve the handguns, refusing to comply with officers' requests and commands to stop. Officers fired upon the suspect, fatally striking him."

The suspect was pronounced dead at the scene. The LPD as well as the responded to the incident. The usual procedure in a police shooting is that the scene is turned over to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. This is the second incident in less than a month where the LPD and WCSO have been on the scene of a domestic incident where the suspect has been shot dead by police.

Roger Hale May 11, 2012 at 03:15 AM
I.B. Reeding, I totally agree with you. However, from the report of one of the witnesses, he had put his guns down and then the police let him get them again thus resulting in the shootout. Maybe someone could have wounded him during this time instead of waiting for the need for deadly force. I'm not trying to defend the guy as he was obviously a disturbed person, but I'm sure he had family that would rather have seen him get medical treatment and not a coffin. I still think we need to improve our police procedures for the safety of all of us.
c1 May 11, 2012 at 03:32 AM
where is this subdivision located in loganville?
John Wayne May 11, 2012 at 04:20 AM
Look, Roger the TV Watcher, these officers make about $36,000 to $42,000 a year and have to raise a family on that and probably don't live in as nice a house as you do. Here's the scenario: You're riding through the Publix parking lot checking the area and you get the call that a crazy man is shooting through his front door on Ivy Court. OK, you heart rate just went from 56bpm to 160bpm. When you and you backup get there, this guy is standing in the driveway, with a GUN, he's a threat, you don't want to kill anybody tonight, you just want to go home in 30 minutes?! You pull your weapon and take cover, plead with the man to put down the gun, of course he refuses (heart rate is 160bpm, respiration 130bpm, sweating profusely, hands are shaking worse than Janet Reno, it is DARK out except for blue flashes and flashlights) , finally he puts the gun down and you ease out and walk toward him but he changes his mind and grabs the gun......if you can, at that moment, with your heart beating like a freight train, respirations like there's no air, sweating, very little light, hands shaking like crazy and TUNNEL VISION, make a precise shot that will not kill the man, guaranteed, you're a better man than any of us, Roger...
Roger Hale May 11, 2012 at 04:32 AM
John Wayne, I don't watch much TV, too much junk on it. I understand totally what you are saying. I'm just asking for the review of procedures to see if something better can be done, that's all. If we never try to improve, we never will, regardless of what it is. My suggestion would be a designated "shooter", a person who's behind a car, safe, with a rifle and a night scope if needed and taking a shot. Not one officer taking "numerous shots" or multiple officers all deciding to shoot. Let me give you a hypothetical, you and your friends have been out drinking in Loganville because alcoholic beverages are all that can save Loganville, you go home, pick up your kids toy gun and go out and dance on the front porch, your neighbor calls the police who arrive, can't tell the difference and decide to use deadly force. Now, this is a crazy hypothetical, but it could happen and has happened in the past (toy guns). I'm only suggesting that some other alternatives might be considered besides deadly force. So, let's all bring our pulse and heartbeats down and remember that this is only a discussion.
Karen Trommer May 11, 2012 at 10:28 AM
It was only a few seconds that elapsed after he dropped his gun and the cops moved in. Honestly there was no time for them to even think of an alternative. They were in extreme danger at the point they shot. John was correct. The first guy wanted to die and it was suicide by cop. Remember he also shot my friend in North Carolina who was unarmed.
Karen Trommer May 11, 2012 at 10:30 AM
Becky our family is sorry for your loss. I never got to meet him but my husband said your Uncle was a real nice guy. I am so sorry :(
GMRI May 11, 2012 at 11:32 AM
Roger, quit repeating the same garbage. You're an idiot. Go away.
Sherry B. Cown May 11, 2012 at 11:51 AM
Ivy Creek is on Chandler Haulk Road near N. Sharon Church Road. I know the family involved in this awful situation, and my heart goes out to them, especially to their daughter.
Roger Hale May 11, 2012 at 12:20 PM
Gee GMRI, I can't repeat anything, but you can continue with the name calling and insulting replies. Sorry that you lack the ability to discuss an issue without resulting to name calling. And as far as going away, I didn't realize that Sharon has turned the Patch comments over to you to administer. People disagree GMRI, you and I disagree, let's leave it at that, and try to be civil like adults.
Angee Steiner(Holloway) May 11, 2012 at 12:21 PM
My dad was the person shot, and he had long suffered from demons. I pray he is at peace now, and I am thankful(as someone who works in law enforcement) that no officers were hurt in this altercation.
Angee Steiner(Holloway) May 11, 2012 at 12:25 PM
Tammy, the man in the driveway had a name, and it was Michael Holloway, as indicated in the article, and he also was my dad. I am saddened by his death, and also very relieved that no officers were injured. I do not watch cop shows, nor do I believe Hollywood portrays cop life accurately, and as someone who works in law enforcement, I see that everyday. Roger was simply expressing his opinion,m and at no time has he stated that it would have been fantastic if everyone involved had died. He has a right to say what he thinks, as we all do. Again, "the man in the driveway," was a father, husband, teacher, and a human being..not simply a man in a driveway.
Roger Hale May 11, 2012 at 12:28 PM
Angee, I am deeply sorry for your loss. However, I wish people would understand that I have never inferred that I wished any law enforcement people were hurt. I am thankful they were not. But, anytime there is a tragedy such as this, I believe it is important that law enforcement reviews their engagement procedures and looks for better outcomes rather than deadly force. In today's age of gadgets and chemicals it would seem that something better could be found. Techniques involved in police car chases have improved so why not those in confrontations with armed people. Again, sorry for your loss and I too hope he is in a better place without the demons.
Jennifer May 11, 2012 at 12:56 PM
I'm sure it's no "vacation" when an officer is out of duty because he/she shot someone. They are probably torn up inside, and playing the scenario every which way in their head for the rest of their lives.
Angee Steiner(Holloway) May 11, 2012 at 12:57 PM
Roger, I just want people to remember that reading a 4 paragraph article does not mean you knew who he was, nor can you be any judge as to what he has suffered with his whole life. I am not judging the officers or thwir actions, as I was bot there. They have families, too, and they all deserve to go home to those families at the end of their shift. Please know this: Michael Robert Holloway was a father, husband, teacher, and a Marine Veteran, who also fought for his country. He was not simply a monster threatening the police in his driveway, and if you lived by him, or saw him in the morning when you grab coffee, you only knew a very small portion of his life. I have known him since April of 1975, and he was my dad..He will be missed and I hope people can keep comments tasteful and offer their opinion, but also be aware that they knew nothing about this man, and in fact, few have even bothered to print his name in their comments..Michael Robert Holloway..Marine Veteran, teacher, father, husband, and human being.
Angee Steiner(Holloway) May 11, 2012 at 01:04 PM
Karen, I wish you had known "this man," who is Michael Robert Holloway, as well as I did. He was a good man, but could not beat what was fighting him, everyday, allday, for years and years. I was well aware that there have been recent incidents, and he had been sliding downhill fast. I wish some of the people posting comments had known him before all of this happened, and had seen him coach me in softball, or cheer me at basketball games, or take me and my brother fishing, or teach us to drive, and a whole lot of other stuff dads do. He was more than, " the man who was shot in the driveway," and nobody posting will ever do more than form an opinion based on a few years of knowing him, or a newspaper article.
Jennifer May 11, 2012 at 01:06 PM
Roger, you would have the answers to all these questions if you get involved and sign up for the citizens police academy. Last I checked, Loganville doesn't offer it but City of Snellville and Gwinnett County offer the courses. I've taken both and they are wonderful. You will learn why they do what they do, and they will put you in situations like this to see how you would react.....minus the tunnel vision, heart beating out of your chest and hands shaking. They are trained to make split second decisions that will either save or end a life, and I give them the utmost amount of credit for it.
V Taylor May 11, 2012 at 01:13 PM
Angee, my heart goes out to you. You truly must love your dad so much and I cannot imagine the sorrow you are feeling right now. May God comfort you with wonderful memories of your father in happy times.
CJMG May 11, 2012 at 01:21 PM
I truly wish that out of respect for the family and police officers involved in this situation, we all do not need to make petty comments on political beliefs and personal opinions. This comment section should be reserved for those who wish to make condolences; it is not a place for condemnation and immature bickering. You all obviously see that the family of Mr. Holloway is reading the comments and should have more respect for their feelings, regardless of your opinions. Take your political comments to another forum and leave this one to people who actually have a little bit of humanity left in their souls. Ms. Steiner, the Holloway family, and those involved in the altercation: as a neighbor, I am deeply sorry for your loss. Please let any of us in the neighborhood know if you are in need of any help.
Becki Holloway May 11, 2012 at 01:45 PM
Uncle Mike, I will forever miss your sense of humor, how your stories could always make me laugh, & just the expressions you'd make on your face. My heart hearts for our entire family, especially my dad who misses his brother. I'm so glad I got to spend New Years with you at the Cabin & those stories you told about how you, my dad, & John would get into trouble as kids will keep me laughing when I think about my favorite uncle. I love you uncle Mike & I hope you're healed in Heaven.
Angee Steiner(Holloway) May 11, 2012 at 01:47 PM
V Taylor and CJMG, I thank you. I understand people have an opinion and it is fine to express it. I am so very thankful none if the officers were hurt, or killed, and in no way judge their actions. They had what I am sure was an extremely short time period( a few seconds, maybe?) to make a decision, and the fact that my dad had a history of mental illness and guns? I understand their reluctance to trust that he would not shoot, I truly do. I told myself to stay out of this, and the only reason I am posting is because I want two things to be clear: The officers made a decision based on experience and none of us can say what we would or would not have done, as we were not there, and 2 is that my dad is at rest and he was more than just a fatality in Georgia on Thurs night..he was more than that to me and my brother, and we will miss him. I mourn the loss of what should have been years with his grandchildren but in the end, I am relieved beyond words that this ending did not include injuries or deaths to anyone else.
Angee Steiner(Holloway) May 11, 2012 at 01:48 PM
Becki, I am sorry to have to talk to you in this situation, but am glad you posted something positive about dad. Thanks.
Karen Trommer May 11, 2012 at 02:31 PM
So sorry about your Dad Angee :(
Karen Trommer May 11, 2012 at 02:35 PM
Angee, I am sorry I didn't mention Mike's name. I hadn't realized his name was released and I was just trying to protect the families privacy. Same reason I didn't say where our subdivision is. It is the families private residence that I felt deserved to be kept private. I didn't mean any disrespect or lack of personalization for your Dad. All I knew of your dad was when I would walk my daughter to piano lessons and see him outside. But then again, who do we REALLY KINOW other than our direct family members. I will keep your family in our prayers and let us know if you guys need anything. The subdivision is here for you.
Karen Trommer May 11, 2012 at 02:37 PM
I also wanted to clarify that by "recent incidents" I was talking about the other shooting in Loganville, it wasn't refering to your Dad.
Dorothy Hanson May 11, 2012 at 09:10 PM
Yes, My sister and brother-in-law would have seen to his treatment. Instead, they are making funeral arrangements. Mike was always the sweetest person you'd want meet. He developed problems lately and was trying to work thru them. I am not putting the blame on anyone, just hoping we find other ways to cope with people who are hurting. Yes, he was a marine just like hid father. He was my nephew and I loved him like a son
Sharon Swanepoel May 11, 2012 at 09:52 PM
I have just returned from an afternoon with the Gwinnett Police Department on deadly force. It's unfortunate that everybody doesn't get to go through the same program. I didn't attempt any of the simulation incidents but several others did. I think it left many with a healthier respect for just what it involved in those split second decisions. If you read Patch, the newspapers or watch local TV channels tonight and over the next day or two you will find out that if "regular folks," in this case media, had been in control, several people would have died today, including hostages, children and few police officers, because of hesitation when deadly force was necessary.
sad but true May 12, 2012 at 03:37 AM
To you idiots who are assuming these gunslinges who kill with impunity are good guys. I hope you get your turn to be on the receiving end of the atorcities of these lying thugs. Then maybe your family can read a police report that bears no resemblence whatsoever to that of emergency room doctors or the police's own video, and know that they threatened him and laughed about the injuries they inflicted on your loved one as he is being transported to the hospital. I can't wait for your turn.
Tammy Osier May 12, 2012 at 02:57 PM
So sorry for all involved. There are never any simple answers. Our family was recently involved in a great tragedy ourselves (that made the PATCH) and a few comments were made that made us quite uncomfortable. Public forums have their downfall in sensitive situations where side conversations can take place. In this case, I should have been more sensitive, especially when my own family has been in a VERY similar and tragic situation (many, many tears shed for all parties involved in our situation). I became a part of the side conversation and took the bait, and I'm sorry. I pray that all can heal greatly and that the good memories can bind you together and you can find strength in knowing that he knew fully the love of his family. Again I'm sorry for not being sensitive to you, and letting myself get involved in a conversation that minimized your tragedy when it by no means should have been.
marisa faye May 13, 2012 at 09:14 PM
my mother was friends with him and she is shocked that this happened! that he was such a kind person. this is such a loss, but he made the choice to grab the weapon
Kelly May 15, 2012 at 05:09 PM
To the Holloway Family, My heart goes out to you all. I worked with Michael R. Holloway at Carver Middle School. He was one of the most respectful people you could ever want to know. He was always pleasant and if something was bothering him, you never knew it. He loved our kids at this school. He helped establish our Secret Santa program and spent much of his own money making sure that our neediest children had something for Christmas. He loved his country and the marine corp. When we had our Veteran's Day programs, you knew that he had planned each one of them from his heart. When Mike retired this year, our halls and students were lost without him. Now his memory will live on. I too am sorry for the law enforcement officers who had to make the split second decision. I pray that god will be with everyone that is involved and was involved. As Mike's daughter so plainly and adequately states it, Mike was a husband, father, teacher, marine veteran and a great friend that will be forever missed.

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