Never one to shy away from controversy, famed movie maker Michael Moore this week suggested that a good way to take control of the gun debate would be to release photos of the young Sandy Hook victims.
The Washington Post wrote that Moore wants the public to see the photos because other horrific photos, such as the photos of the murdered Emmett Till and 1965 Selma Ala. riots, influenced the outcome of the civil right battle. Moore wrote that the day the crime scene photos of the Newtown Tragedy are released would be the day the gun control debate comes to an end. He predicts that someone will release the photos at some point.
Others, however, are not so sure it will happen. The Washington Post, reported that releasing the photos would be in violation of the decency standards of the main stream media and therefore unlikely to happen. The alternative media has, at least up to this point, treated the Sandy Hook community with extreme sensitivity and is unlikely to do anything that would be contrary to what that community wants. The parents of the children are reportedly not impressed with the suggestion. Moore, however, believes that at some point it will happen.
Do you think that the Sandy Hook crime scene photos will ever be released and if they are, will it result in the demise of the NRA?
I could call you Toad M or Turd M, but name-calling ain't my thang :D By the way - what is y o u r real name? Notice you left off the most important part. There are lots of Todds out there. I think a group of Patchers came to the consensus that "chillax" needed to be among the annoying words dropped in 2013. Consider yourself informed. It's so 2011. Awww . . . you're just hurt b/c none of what you said impressed me. Keep trying, but don't wear yourself out. You can't impress me with your right-wing idiocy.
The University system can't run itself. Employees are needed.
There's been a lot of subject changing from your side of the coin. One of us has reminded several times of the topic but the conservos keep doing it. It's going to be a rainy weekend. Care to guess how many more comments will be posted on this thread?
Some of them are really, really long, so you take all the time you need. You like reading, don't you?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/dhs-contractor-apologizes-for-selling-shooting-targets-of-children.html True..there are a lot of conspiracy theorists out there and I won't add any support to their claims..however this is an actual company with a 2 million dollar relationship with homeland security DHS. These are actual targets of non traditional civilian targets in their homes... The line was called "no hesitation" not "no unnecessary loss of life" like they later claimed. Even the actual company apologized last month..but they didn't stop making them. It is sick. No gun enthusiast I know shoots at targets of kids, old people and pregnant women. So when I see stuff like this...and I see DHS buying 7,000 fully auto weapons, 1.5 billion rounds of hollow point bullets for "practice" , and many anti personnel tanks that can resist grenades and small arms fire...I start to take notice. I'm a businessman for crying out loud! I'm not some backwoods redneck that doesn't trust the government.. If the DHS or Holder would just give answers instead of ducking like he did on drones, people would move on. Yet he doesn't..it is almost like this administration wants the country destabilized, at each others throats. How does it benefit America? Answer It doesn't.. his first promise as president...to fundamentally change this country. I believe him, you think he meant the tax code...I know he meant our unity.
There's really no other choices that would be logical.
To be fair, numbers like "1,000,000,000 rounds" sound like a lot until you consider that DHS is probably going to distribute these to strategic locations around the country to create ready reserves for locally-tasked national security needs. DHS can easily find 10,000 locations between national guard armories, state guard armories, local branches of FBI, and major municipal police departments. Simply averaging, that's only 100,000 rounds for each location. Split that between active carry (two or three 30-rd mags per person) and long-term reserves, and the numbers are perfectly reasonable. Though it makes for a juicy story and hot gossip, there are no conspiracies, guys. Not anywhere. Things just happen the way they're going to happen. There are any number of reasons why, and not all are planned or even intentional. From the perspectives of people without perspectives, there appear to be cause-and-effect relationships that simply don't exist. Look at Feinstein's idea that her proposals are going to do *anything* significant to reduce crime. She has an imagination that has run wild and conjured-up a non-existent cause-and-effect relationship that she is laser-focused on destroying at all costs. Even in the face of evidence that it didn't work the last time, either. Logic doesn't matter once one is convinced that a non-existent cause-and-effect relationship controls everything.
"Scalawag..i was trying to astound you...Mission accomplished...." Here's something astounding for you Todd ole buddy. I found this particular post in my junk email box. Which is right where it belonged and where I should have left it. The only things that you prove with these kind of comments is that death comes in a whole host of ways and that you have a very macabre personal interest it seems in all of them. Other than that your death statistics don't change the fact that there are far too many deaths by guns for a sane society ignore. There is no justification that you can come up with and no attempt at statistical equivalency that you can make that can persuade me that as a society we shouldn't do anything about gun violence. I'm not looking to eradicate all gun deaths because I know that is an impossible goal to attain. But I will do what I can to convince our elected officials that we should at the very least make an effort to save some lives.
All rights should be protected and cherished - personal and humanitarian. It's the Rs who get into violation of personal rights, very personal rights, and libertarians are right in there with them. Rand would do away with portions of the Civll Rights act. Now, I know you think that's fine b/c it interferes with the property owner's right to conduct business as he sees fit, but most of the rest of American society doesn't agree with that stance.
Some people on here keep pointing to the idea that we should ban assault rifles because a majority of the people agree that we should. Now, while I contend that that really doesn't matter, and that those people are of that opinion because they are not in possession of all the facts, it still doesn't answer this one question: NOW you're interested in a majority opinion to remove rights? Really? What about gay marriage? It's already been shown that a majority of Americans don't think it should be legal. Hell, Prop 8 couldn't pass in California, of all places. And all I hear is how the government should make it legal. I mean, who cares if a majority of Americans think the other way? (For the record, I don't think the government has any business in this arena, but I'm not advocating for or against majority rule in any other area.) Doesn't anybody find this argument slightly hypocritical?
And Adam, I also had to address this - First, DHS isn't the supplier of FBI, NSA, National Guard, or any other group. Pretty much DHS installations and TSA. So that number is still really high. Also, it's slightly illegal for the military or any other branch of government to use hollow points in wartime. Domestic use only for those. And they sure aren't going to practice with hollow points. That would be ridiculously expensive. So we're back to the question of...why would they order that many? And now, of all times? And to put in an order for over a million more?
Have the liberals ever made a suggestion that wasn't hypocritical? I can't recall a single one. so my question is serious. Have I missed something?
You are correct that the DHS doesn't supply those groups, and it is neither their mission nor their charter. I was referring to those times of national crises when federal authorities marshal federal, state, and local groups to act under federal control. So if there were an attack in Atlanta, DHS might conscribe some or all of the Atlanta office of the FBI, plus some parts of the Georgia National Guard, plus some from the Atlanta PD. This is a "fast-react" model that works well most of the time, but it requires local caches of weapons, ammo, support, etc. Hollow points would be legal for such deployments, as there would not yet be a signed Declaration of War which is the trigger for the "no hollow points" rule. It would be a strictly domestic action. Regarding the expense of hollow points: they are no more expensive to manufacture than full metal jacket or soft point rounds. A shorter lead core is used, and it often requires multiple ogive forming dies on the automated swaging press so the jacket around the hollow tip doesn't crush, but it doesn't cost any more to make them that way. So my original premise does stand up, I think.