What's the Big Lesson from Kansas City Chiefs Shooting Tragedy?

Some say it shows the need for more gun control, others say it highlights the dirty little secret of head injuries in the NFL, and yet others say it puts a spotlight on domestic violence. What do you think the biggest lesson is?

Kansas City Chiefs linebacker Jovan Belcher shot and killed the mother of his child and later himself this past Saturday morning. Proponents of gun control immediately cited it as another reason for stricter gun control. Strong Second Amendment supporters were quick to point out some of the other issues involved. This story in The Huffington Post talks about head injuries in the NFL and this one in The Washington Times talks about previous reports of domestic violence.

Maybe it'll turn out that concussions, or traumatic brain injury, played some role in sparking those unconscionable actions. And maybe that will make a parent prioritize player safety should he or she allow a child to play football.

Maybe the image of a hulking 25-year-old linebacker, a man considered a leader by his teammates, holding a gun to his head outside Kansas City's practice facility will incite a conversation about gun control among a new demographic. 

Or maybe a video will go viral. A video in which Brady Quinn, the embattled Chiefs quarterback, gives a remarkable postgame address that reminds us to think about our own relationships.

This was obviously a tragedy, but what do you think is the biggest lesson that we should take away from it? Is it a need for more gun control, a wake up call for the NFL to take a look at traumatic brain injuries, or should it prompt more be done to address domestic violence as a national problem?

Good Grief Y'all December 07, 2012 at 01:42 PM
Hey, Tammy, how's that application for government assistance or grant (assistance) going for you to further your education? Off topic, I know, but your "out of context" comment reminded me that I read this in another post of yours. That context thing was often used by Republicans in the campaign to try to explain away their foot-in-mouth (actually candid) statements. Rs also are anti-govt. programs except when beneficial to them. That's the definition of hypocrisy and double standard.
Racer X December 07, 2012 at 01:43 PM
GGY- As far as I am concerned, Tammy and Karsten are beyond reproach. Any argument you might have against them is futile with me. Good luck to you in your other endeavors.
Good Grief Y'all December 07, 2012 at 01:54 PM
I'm calling double standard here. That bravado stance is what got Trayvon Martin killed and people say he was being stupid - for minding his own business and standing up to someone who was also minding his business - is that stupid or brave, or both? George Zimmerman was also stupid, but not brave. He just became fake brave because he was carrying a firearm. Without that piece, he would have stayed in his truck as he was told to do when he called 911. The gun made him brave . . . and stupid. Now he's a killer, having taken the innocent life of someone's teenage son, and he has in the process ruined his own life and that of his immediate family. But, there's hope for him, maybe he can write a book and get it turned into a movie. For Trayvon Martin, no hope, except heaven. For Martin's family, their hope is for justice. And heaven, eventually.
Mr. B December 07, 2012 at 02:02 PM
Sorry, been away for a while. Let me try to catch up. Amy, I live on Lake Lanier in a gated subdivision where we have had many more than our share of break-ins and violent crimes. My wife was armed and very proficient. She passed. I won't go into details but let me just assure you I didn't shoot her. Racer - Good choice of weapon. Actually, its a Glock 23 with Hornady Critical Defenders. It might be multiple holes but they are well placed. Or it could be all 13 through the same hole. I love Lapin too. Roasted with carrots and potatoes.
Mr. B December 07, 2012 at 02:03 PM
Uh-oh. I just looked at my feet. I guess I need some new shoes.
Good Grief Y'all December 07, 2012 at 02:11 PM
Racer X, and yet you must have read my comments, giving them some modicum of value, huh? I would expect nothing less of you in cheerleading for T.O. and K.T. You all are cut of the same cloth, based on your comments. That's contrary to the teachings of Jesus, to only hang with and side with those of like minds and life stations. That's easy to do. Harder to do is to pay attention and be open-minded to the opposition - you may still disagree but could also learn something. But it's hard to have a conversation in writing or in person with name-calling and insulting, because then you're having to be on defense. Then there is the tactic of potshotting - basically, sticking your nose in someone else's exchange, not to discuss, but to take aim and insult or falsely accuse. Those elements don't do anything but shut down constructive debates. Read back through the posts and see who's doing that. This thread has been fairly tame, but others not so much.
Good Grief Y'all December 07, 2012 at 02:19 PM
Karsten, Zimmerman's life and Trayvon Martin just being alive would be a different outcome if that big brave neighborhood protector had stayed in his truck, gun or no gun. You're calling the victim a thug, why? Because he stood up to someone stalking him, minding his business and interfering with his civil rights? Isn't that being brave - being a man, defending himself? Zimmerman was the aggressor . . . an armed one. Preemptive killing of someone who might someday, if he lives, become a criminal is still against the law. Also playing God.
John B December 07, 2012 at 02:28 PM
I see things are slow at the broom factory again today................
Good Grief Y'all December 07, 2012 at 07:01 PM
John B, another of the favored posters hiding his true identity. What's your excuse? Karsten doesn't need to know, but I would be interested. This applies to you: "Then there is the tactic of potshotting - basically, sticking your nose in someone else's exchange, not to discuss, but to take aim and insult or falsely accuse." You're one of the pro potshotters.
John B December 07, 2012 at 09:19 PM
Well then...case closed. Amy and GGY know exactly what happened that night. No need for a trial. Let's just hang Zimmerman.....
John B December 07, 2012 at 09:49 PM
GGY...if I were to take potshots I would come up with a list of adjectives such as pompous, arrogant, self absorbed, boastful, self-centered, superior, vain....and a few others to describe the tone of your posts. For the record, I agree with about 50% of what you post but your delivery sucks. Please refer to the list of adjectives. Merry Christmas. I hope Santa is good to you this year.........
Good Grief Y'all December 07, 2012 at 10:11 PM
John B, I'm stunned. That's quite a list of adjectives. I think that means you agree with very little of what I say. You have never stated agreement with 50% of what I say. I do remember you agreed with my "Go Dawgs!" post, but you had to add an insult even to that. People rarely like the delivery from someone they can't refute with facts. I'm not in a popularity contest here. Here's your potshot after my comment: " I see things are slow at the broom factory again today." It's your delivery that sucks, sir. You have never seen me write such an insult at even T.O. , and to me, her delivery is all of what you described, plus it sucks. (But you like it b/c you agree with her.) Still, I don't call her names and insult. The truth hurts, so I can see why you dislike my style. You're a naughty boy. Santa won't be good to you. You'll have to be good to yourself.
David Brown December 07, 2012 at 10:12 PM
Jimmy, thanks for the irrational suggestion. I will continue to trust God to protect me. He has done an excellent job thus far.:) My only worry is irrational folks like you.
John B December 07, 2012 at 10:16 PM
The more you post the more you prove my point...please keep posting.....
Good Grief Y'all December 07, 2012 at 10:20 PM
John B, what I said has been reported. No delusions there. And you think my delivery sucks? Maybe I should take that as a compliment, considering the source. Thank you!
Amy December 08, 2012 at 12:15 AM
Jimmy, How is it irrational to be afraid of something that's designed to kill people? And no, I would never put up such a ridiculous sign in front of my house. My sign says, "VICIOUS PIT BULL." BTW, I'm afraid of pit bulls too, they should be outlawed just like guns; but that's another story.
Mr. B December 08, 2012 at 12:18 AM
Reported by whom? MSNBC? Let's just do away with courts and let MSNBC decide everything.
Racer X December 08, 2012 at 12:19 AM
Amy- You really aren't that bad, you shouldn't label yourself as a vicious pit bull.
Tammy Osier December 08, 2012 at 01:34 AM
Correct. I was not referring to Amy. I think she misunderstood what I was saying on the parenting comment, but she is honest, although a bit hard on herself. she has an opinion and is passionate about it. BTW...I went to work today and got home to find that GGY talked about me from 7:30 to 5:30. WOW, then accuses others. Like I said, Amy's are opinions-GGy is all personal attack for which I won't lower myself with the same. And for the record...most of those people I work with in jails etc.. could all be democrats for all I know. I don't take a survey of their political affiliations before I can help them (oh wait...we only love our own). And yes, I help direct them to government programs-the intended purpose of those programs. You ASSUME that conservatives think they are evil - uh..no. We only think it's evil to take money from working people and spend billions and trillions for programs that seldom seem to materialize-yet-the same politicians suddenly get raises, new jet planes and go on yet another vacation while people are losing their jobs. That's what we object to. We're against government corruption in the GUISE of helping the poor. And what you call "pot shots' was a simple explanation of what someone was trying to say - you misread it and took it out of context and then began to criticize. When a teacher corrects a child in school, is that a pot shot? geez. Here's a novel idea - let's stick to a mature conversation about he subject matter.
R++ One of the Famous Dacula Crew December 08, 2012 at 01:52 AM
As to the sign kit comment above, the truth can often be entertaining but rarely irrational…
Tammy Osier December 08, 2012 at 02:01 AM
Well, Amy. since we now know there's no pit bull in your house, don't accidentally post your address - LOL Do you like German Shepherds?They are good for protection.
Amy December 08, 2012 at 03:47 AM
Hey Tammy, I'm good with the dog thing. I was about 11 years old, riding my bike, and this dog started to chase me. I fell off the bike and the stupid animal continued to chase me. It caught up with me, never bit me, but I swear I saw the little mongrel laughing at me. It's been over 30 years and that day still haunts me. I adopted a cat from Petco a few years ago, but he ran away after 6 months with the family. I guess it was never meant to be.
Tammy Osier December 08, 2012 at 03:57 AM
Hahahaha...I can just see that dog laughing (you have such a way with words) - lol. No wonder you're scared of them. German shepherds are actually very gently, loyal dogs. The only time they are going to growl viciously is when you (his master) is not home and someone wants in your house. They are very protective. Might be a good match for you. You've got to remember that those pets were strays at one time and roamed around. I tried to adopt one from Pet Smart and they said i had to keep him locked up in my house and to sign a paper stating i'd not let him be an outdoor cat. Needless to say, I didn't adopt. I'm allergic so he'd have to stay outside. Maybe that's why they want them indoors. Hmmm..
Tammy Osier December 08, 2012 at 04:01 AM
I totally get that 30 yers ago thing. I was riding my bike in my friend Kellie's woods and rode inbetween two trees. The sun was bright and I didn't see the wolf spider (big as your hand) directly between those trees until I was a q/4 inch from it. I screeched to a halt, threw my bike down ad screamed so loud the trees shook. I still remember that and that was 40 years ago. lol
Good Grief Y'all December 08, 2012 at 12:28 PM
At your service, John B. You also prove mine. And you're such a gentleman about it ;)
Good Grief Y'all December 08, 2012 at 12:34 PM
Reported by various reasonably creditable news outlets, broadcast and print. GZ should have stayed in his truck. The only thing right he did that night was to call 911. His other stupid, dangerous actions took a life.
Ed Varn December 08, 2012 at 02:08 PM
" and this dog started to chase me. I fell off the bike and the stupid animal continued to chase me. It caught up with me, never bit me, but I swear I saw the little mongrel laughing at me." What an awesome metaphor for the Federal government, which IS about to bite us all.
Jimmy December 08, 2012 at 09:49 PM
No need to worry about me David...some day when God is busy protecting somebody else, a well trained legally carrying gun owner like me might save your life...It might just be that it was his will that I be there to protect you. As for Amy, fear of a pit bull is much more rational than fear of a firearm. A gun in a holster, on the hip of a trained person cant do you harm without deliberate action on behalf of the carrier. Dogs, not just pit bulls, unfortunately have been known to 'go off' on their own and attack even their owners without apparent provocation.
Amy December 08, 2012 at 10:11 PM
I swear Tammy, you're actually making me seriously consider this. Before I joined the gym, I used to walk around Alexander Park by myself. The earlier I'd be out there, the less women there would be out walking. I didn't feel safe at all. It's times like those when I'd get pet envy. I look at man with his best friend, just strolling in the park...and I think to myself, "I want one of those." Before that fleeting thought could come into fruition, I opted to join the gym. I will think about it though.
Tammy Osier December 09, 2012 at 01:02 AM
I just like big dogs. Labs are the most gentle (if you have a dog fear, they are perfect), but so are German Shepherds. Both are extremely loyal and easy to train, so would obey you if you said to attack. German Shepherds look vicious but are really not. Wonderful pets and good for protection.


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