Thought We Had Avoided that Fiscal Cliff?

Well, not so fast, apparently Washington is back on that same path and hasn't yet figured out how to avoid that stretch of road.

It seems that just last month the country was on the brink of doom and disaster — facing a fiscal cliff of epic proportions. Oh wait, that was just last month. On the eve of disaster, the problem was averted by a last-minute deal that resulted in almost everybody's taxes going up.

According to The Huffington Post, Washington hasn't yet figured how to get off that path and we're back on the road again, approaching that pesky fiscal cliff. Dubbing it an austeroid, a play on words relating to an austerity asteroid, The Huffington Post points out that the country is about to be hit with the "sequester" on March 1, which could cut another 0.6 percent from growth. That on top of the 1.5 hit that The Huffington Post laid at the feet of the first fiscal cliff solution.

While The Huffington Post article does point the finger at Congressional Republicans, saying they are choosing to do nothing this time, setting up another deficit fight in the spring, it also points out that this sequester was actually the idea of the White House in the first place. On Friday, President Barack Obama raised a dire warning of the results that could happen if we don't manage to hit the brakes before going over the cliff this time, telling the American people of potential cuts to firefighters and teachers.

The Washington Post reports Republicans have said they caved in the first debate, allowing for taxes to go up on the wealthy and dragging most of the taxpayers along for a portion of that ride — they're not going to do it again. It's time to tackle the out of control spending — there are other places to cut, not the ones that would end up hurting basic services. In an opinion piece in The Washington Post, George F. Wills calls this debate another manufactured crisis and he and many others suggest Washington is likely to go over the cliff this time. What is also debatable is whether the people care anymore. 

Do you care this time around whether the latest disaster is averted or not or are you just tired of the political theater? Who do you think deserves the lion's share of the blame for Washingon appearing to go from one disaster to another?

Jeff Haas February 25, 2013 at 12:52 PM
Yes, the revolution has been taking place before your very eyes. It's called democracy. Our diverse population is finally realizing the power of the vote, and that vote is taking a decidedly left turn. You had your turn for 30 years, and it was "Mourning in America" for those of us on the left for all that that time. I knew something was wrong the moment Reagan was elected, but I had no idea that that debacle would last for a generation. Now there's talk on Texas turning blue over the next few elections, and if that's the case, can Georgia be far behind?
Amy L February 25, 2013 at 01:08 PM
Why bother Good Grief? You are talking to people who believe in a magical sky daddy who will call them up to "heaven" where they will live happily ever after for eternity. And they are ADULTS! A failure of reason on that scale surely suggests that attempts to reason with them in more secular areas will prove fruitless.
Mr. B February 25, 2013 at 01:22 PM
It's called faith Amy. We also believe that those who reject God will burn in hell for eternity. Don't you hope we're wrong?
Amy L February 25, 2013 at 01:30 PM
No actually. And in fact, you will probably be there next to me for worshiping the wrong way. If there is such a thing as a god, and it cares about your religious practices enough to punish you for not following them correctly, then how do you know that out of the thousands of religions that have been invented and practiced, that you picked the right one? This is the problem with the so called Pascal's Wager that you propose. Look it up if you haven't heard of it before.
Mr. B February 25, 2013 at 01:45 PM
I have a Ph.D. in Theology from Emory as has been stated before. Not necessary to look anything up. I began my carrier as a minister but left to turn toward family law. Amazingly, it was the Atheist that found the fault in Pascal's Wager yet you, as a non-believer (I'm assuming here) throw it out as something to consider. I assume it is because you might want to believe yet don't know what to believe (the fault of PW). There are many gods but only one God. And since I know Him and know His power and know His forgiveness, I know where I will pass. I wish the best for you Amy L.
Tim February 25, 2013 at 02:58 PM
Amen Mr. B....Amen.
Tim February 25, 2013 at 02:58 PM
Amy, are you a Wiccan?
John B February 25, 2013 at 03:06 PM
Hate to break the bad news to you Amy L...I think GGY also believes in the imaginary man in the sky too but I'll let her weigh in....BTW, my numbers could be wrong but my research shows that 90% of Americans believe in God or a higher being. Guess you're the minority here. You must be more intelligent than the rest...but definitely not smarter than GGY...don't believe it just ask her.
Amy L February 25, 2013 at 03:17 PM
All religions are equally ridiculous. Why would I choose Wiccanism over Scientology over Christianity over Greek Mythology over Sun worship? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. So far none has been forthcoming.
Richard February 25, 2013 at 03:34 PM
Sure Tammy, let's look across the aisle and ask what the republicans have for us. Like we are not all living what Bush Junior and his eight year mess left us with now. It does not matter left/right everyone thinks they have their facts right, wants to be right, and fights anyone saying they aren't. Let me say as well Tammy please do not think the republicans are reaching across any aisle....really? The fact is the Republicans are so dilussional they still don't understand who win the election and if there is any one needing to reach across a aisle it's them. But Tammy YIU and I both know that will never happen ont we? I do to care anymore how it got broke they just need to fix it. Yet the republicans will never, ever raise taxes on the rich again, especially now, they need that money to try to fix a desperately broken party. For some reason the Republicams keep demanding The President of the United States to come across the aisle, really?
Amy L February 25, 2013 at 03:42 PM
If I believed in things just because a majority of Americans do, I would believe some crazy shit.
Good Grief Y'all February 25, 2013 at 03:52 PM
General Allen got caught up in the Petraeus scandal. Whether or not he's guilty, he's tainted by association. He knows it and doesn't want to open up any more wormy cans. Right-wing conspiracy theories abound. Gotta have something to carp about now that the election is won and done. Communism, last century's threat. Aren't the Russians doing pretty well these days in the capitalistic world they've finally joined?
Good Grief Y'all February 25, 2013 at 03:56 PM
GWB and Romney have some interesting videos prominent on youtube. I can think of one that led to Willard's defeat . . . 47% rings a bell.
Good Grief Y'all February 25, 2013 at 04:02 PM
Amen, Jeff. When Texas goes blue, anything is possible. There's already talk of GA turning purple, if not blue. I'm pretty sure Tim wants a bloody revolution. He doesn't understand the power of a peaceful revolution.
Good Grief Y'all February 25, 2013 at 04:10 PM
Amy L, I am a Christian. Not all Christians are Republican. The difference is they can't get the idea that our Founding Fathers intended a separation of church and state. Oh, and I'm not trying to convert or convince anyone. These yahoos are beyond help. My efforts are to give sore eyes another viewpoint. The South is not all batcrap Bachman-Palin-Limbaugh-Beck-Hannity-Boortz-Cain crazy.
Mr. B February 25, 2013 at 04:34 PM
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." Or...they require Faith.
Mr. B February 25, 2013 at 04:44 PM
Bachmann - MN Palin - AK Limbaugh - MO Beck - WA Hannity - NY Boortz - PA Cain - TN Not too many batcrap crazy Southerners in this group. Mark 16:15-16
Pittsburgh Paul February 25, 2013 at 04:57 PM
Actually Amy L, give me evidence that Jesus did NOT walk this earth or that the Bible is fiction. Recently there is far greater evidence that it is all true. Check out http://www.answersingenesis.org/ if you want to have some fun mocking us Christians.
David Brown February 25, 2013 at 05:08 PM
I agree with you Pittsburgh Paul. I am a Christian also.:) By the way Amy L., using expletives like you did in your post above violates Patch's Terms of Use. You said "If I believed in things just because a majority of Americans do, I would believe some crazy s___."
JD STONE February 25, 2013 at 05:26 PM
Tammy O, Better check your history: Economist Mike Kimel notes that the former Democratic Presidents (Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, Lyndon B. Johnson, John F. Kennedy, and Harry S. Truman) all reduced public debt as a share of GDP while the last four Republican Presidents (George W. Bush, George H. W. Bush, Ronald Reagan, and Gerald Ford) all oversaw an increase in the country's indebtedness
Good Grief Y'all February 25, 2013 at 05:45 PM
No, B, but the influence is great and far reaching - there are the airwaves and internet. Fox channel is automatically set in any Southern waiting room. You've got Southerners in that category, they just ain't as famous, only trying to be.
Good Grief Y'all February 25, 2013 at 05:55 PM
:D Problem is, JD, they believe their own hype and/or misinformation.
Mr. B February 25, 2013 at 06:53 PM
Not familiar with the category, just responding to your list. Visit my law office waiting room. We don't have TV's.
Mr. B February 25, 2013 at 07:12 PM
JD, I would like to ask that you double check your numbers. To say the debt was reduced is semantics (If my debt to income is 120% and 4 years later it is 119%, I have reduced it but it's still out of control.) The highest ever National Debt ratio versus GDP was under Truman at 120%. Second...you guessed it...Obama at close to 110%. Third was Bush 43 and coming in 4th is Mr. Clinton. Reagan and Eisenhower are tied for next place (in Ike's defense so to speak, he was correcting Truman's high numbers.) The years under Nixon - Ford were the best but still at 30%. The debt to GDP hasn't been below 30% since prior to 1929. Problem is, JD, liberals often believe their own hype and/or misinformation.
Good Grief Y'all February 25, 2013 at 07:24 PM
I didn't say my "list" was made up exclusively of Southerners. My "list" was a description. If you had a TV in your waiting room . . .
That guy February 25, 2013 at 07:39 PM
That's the problem with statistics in general. The economy is too complex to look at a single statistic and blame it on, or give credit to, a single person or group. If people focused more of their time on debating the solutions that are being presented, it would be a much more realistic conversation. Laying blame is the worst of politics because the only answers you tend to find are those that agree with your positions anyway. Much like statistics.
That guy February 25, 2013 at 08:15 PM
I also wish conservatives would drop the whole "Obama wants to destroy the country" nonsense. Even if that's what you believe, stating that in public doesn't help the debate. It might make you feel good to say it.......but all it shows is that you don't really want to have an honest conversation. As Barney Frank would say (disregarding the fact that he is an idiot) "Trying to have a conversation with you would be like arguing with a dining room table"
David Brown February 25, 2013 at 08:40 PM
Good comments, "That guy". It also does nothing to change the fact that President Obama was elected by the majority of American voters to serve until January 20, 2017.
That guy February 25, 2013 at 09:03 PM
Quite true. Apparently the gloom and doom doesn't resonate well with Americans who do not classify themselves as Conservatives. That same group coincidentally makes up the majority of America.
Good Grief Y'all February 25, 2013 at 10:39 PM
That guy, you're making good sense.


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