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Should Municipalities Be Able to Restrict Guns in Public Parks?

The arrest of a man for carrying a gun in a Sugar Hill park recently, and a decision by the Snellville mayor to look at possibly doing something about people carrying guns in city parks, has prompted some heated discussion.

In April, a Cumming resident was arrested after carrying a gun in a Sugar Hill city park. A security guard is reported to have accused him of illegally carrying a gun. He was subsequently arrested. However, he had a permit for the gun and, under Georgia law, was legally allowed to carry it. The man, Christopher Proescher, has now filed a lawsuit against the Sugar Hill security guard and the Gwinnett County police.

The case, however, prompted As reported in Snellville Patch, she expressed concern about people carrying guns in Snellville city parks and wanted to see if anything could be done about it. The subject has drawn some heated discussion among residents. While some share the Snellville mayor’s concerns, it has been pointed out Georgia’s law allows for gun owners who are correctly permitted to carry guns, even in public parks.

One of the men allegedly pulled a gun on a visitor to the park and robbed him of a pack of cigarettes, a pocket knife and his hat.

Our question here is, if municipalities were able to place restrictions on law abiding citizens carrying guns in city or county parks, would that not leave the field open for those who carry guns for criminal purposes? 

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Karsten Torch June 25, 2012 at 08:52 pm
I'll admit - that's a valid question. If I had to worry about the possibility of being somewhere that a fire could break out and there would not be any fire extinguishers on the premises, I probably would.
Floyd Akridge June 25, 2012 at 09:01 pm
Karsten...what a great point...love it.
Floyd Akridge June 25, 2012 at 09:03 pm
Dave...hahahaha...good one.
Shawn June 25, 2012 at 11:03 pm
Absolutley not!
Marne M June 26, 2012 at 12:50 pm
It's a good thing this immature, drunken college student happened to have a gun...
http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/intruder-shot-in-the-1464583.html
Brian Crawford June 26, 2012 at 01:57 pm
So you're applauding this guy shooting some stupid unarmed student who got high/drunk and stumbled into the wrong house? You think the kid deserved to die for his stupidity? That could have been anyone's child. Do you have any idea how often this happens on college campuses? Let me answer that...it happens a lot. Be careful what you wish for.
David June 26, 2012 at 02:08 pm
Yes Brian, I'm applauding him. It could have been anyone's child? It was someone's child. That doesn't excuse his actions. He broke into the wrong house while high on drugs and charged at the wrong person. Or maybe he charged at the right person. Don't do drugs, stay out of houses you're not invited to, don't get shot.
The Marines taught me the three tap method...two to the chest, one to the head. Might have been worse for the druggie if it was my house he broke into.
Marne M June 26, 2012 at 02:09 pm
Brian -- I worked for five years in the Major Felony Unit of one of the highest crime areas of Atlanta. I think I probably have a better finger on just how often guns are used and in what capacity than most people. You get the right defend yourself, in a park, and most especially in your own home. Just because the media reports something in a sympathetic manner, doesn't mean that's what actually happened. I'm sorry for the loss of life, but I'm not sorry that maybe people will think twice about their criminal actions near the Tech Campus in the future.
Every criminal is someone's child. It's a terrible thing to have to tell the family and loved ones of a person that their child has passed, no matter what the circumstances. I know, because I've been that person many times, and whether it's a baby or a 24-year-old drug dealer, it's still awful. But that doesn't free someone from responsibility for their actions.
Brian Crawford June 26, 2012 at 02:17 pm
Well aren't you a credit to the human race. Shoot first ask questions later!
"There was some video footage and it just appears like he was just confused which was his house," Roberson said. "Unfortunately, the people inside didn't know what he was doing. And he was, according to everyone that we've interviewed, came across as high on something other than alcohol."
Brian Crawford June 26, 2012 at 02:28 pm
Here's the problem Marne. We've created a culture where any damn fool feels empowered to carry, brandish and discharge his weapon whenever they darn well please. Bad things are bound to happen. Just ask the Gwinnett homeowner who recently woke up to find a bullet had passed through his house.
Marne M June 26, 2012 at 03:00 pm
The thing I find most offensive if that you have continually referred to legal, responsible gun owners as fools, idiots, immature, etc. That's my husband you're talking about, and my father, and my brother (none of whom are cops). That's my cousins who have fought to serve their country and also have carry permits in the United States. That's my uncles and aunts, none of whom has ever used a firearm illegally in any manner. It's simply not the case with the vast majority of responsible gun owners.
And we didn't create this culture, it was created by the founding fathers when they guaranteed the right to bear arms, as has already been discussed in this thread.
Marne M June 26, 2012 at 03:03 pm
It's dishonest to pick and choose which parts of the news you quote. It was also stated that the poor confused guy charged the homeowner. Was he supposed to allow himself to be assaulted? Was he supposed to wait until it was too late to see if the guy might have had a weapon? Maybe he should have aimed for an arm or a leg (I get that one all the time -- why didn't you just shoot the gun out of his hand.) If someone breaks into my house in the middle of the night and charges me, you can bet that I'm not going to stand around and ask questions. You can Monday-morning quarterback the situation all day long, but in reality, this person had seconds to make a decision that you have the leisure of days to insult.
Grant June 26, 2012 at 04:06 pm
I'd give odd that the bullet fired through the Gwinnett house wasnt fired by a law abiding citizen with a carry permit. More likely it came from a criminal , a stupid criminal ...Get rid of the stupid dangerous criminals and the rest of us wont need to arm ourselves.
And , for the record I'm with David. Some drugged out idiot comes charging through my door in the middle of the night I'm not gonna spend time chatting him up either
Marne M June 26, 2012 at 04:24 pm
Actually Grant (and I believe it likely that Brian was holding this part back intentionally) it was fired by a former New York Police Officer who got into an argument with his wife and decided to start shooting wildly.
It doesn't matter, however. Of course, people behave like human beings, which means they sometimes act unlawfully and do unreasonable (and dangerous) things. They don't need guns to do this -- they can do it perfectly well with cars, and boats, and swimming pools, or with drugs and alcohol. I'll take the occasional random chance that my house gets hit by a bullet (and our roof did take a peppering from a shotgun once) in exchange for the ability to defend myself and my family, and for others to do the same.
Grant June 26, 2012 at 05:15 pm
I should have known that
A) Brian was sitting on "the rest of the story" B) There was a woman to blame (kidding!)
Brian Crawford June 26, 2012 at 06:32 pm
Hahaha...why would I sit on that part of the story? That makes it even better, if the guy was an ex-cop he probably had a permit for the gun. I guess not only criminals perform stupid gun tricks after all. Thanks for enhancing my argument.
Marne M June 26, 2012 at 06:41 pm
That occasionally otherwise law-abiding citizens do unreasonable things doesn't "enhance" any argument. Occasionally otherwise law-abiding citizens beat their wives, rape someone, strangle someone, steal something, embezzle money from their company, or imbibe an intoxicating substance and get in their car and wipe out a whole family. When they do, they're charged appropriately, and the wheels of the justice system turn.
In no way does that erase the rights that people have to bear arms and defend themselves, their homes and their families.
Grant June 26, 2012 at 06:51 pm
Sorry Brian... no enhancement for you ...
Seems this guy left the force in 1986 and is NOT licensed to carry here in Georgia . Of course , as I suggested, he was performing a criminal act . If you can make all the criminals go away we wont need our guns
Ron McClellan June 26, 2012 at 07:14 pm
The only problem there Brian, is when the bad guys know that the good guys are prohibited from otherwise lawful carry, there are folks who might be inclined to live out their Columbine fantasies . . .right there in your park. Believe it or not, most folks lawfully carrying aren't prone to getting into gun battles with each other.
Ron McClellan June 26, 2012 at 07:17 pm
"I've survived 55 years without needing to tote a gun everywhere I go. No one in my family has been assaulted in all that time because we mostly treat others with respect and mind our own business. I'll take my chances."
That's the same thing lots of fifty six year old crime victims said just one year earlier!
Ron McClellan June 26, 2012 at 07:18 pm
"gun fetishist" . . . .oh Geez.
Ron McClellan June 26, 2012 at 07:22 pm
"Yep, lest I or some innocent bystander get's hit with a stray bullet, it only takes one you know."
Hmmmm . . .really gonna go with that Brian? Really? Maybe you would get lucky, and the armed good sumaritan would mind his own business and let you merely deal with that one bullet in the pointing the gun at you. On the plus side, at that range your fear for innocent bystanders lives is probably minimised.
Ron McClellan June 26, 2012 at 07:29 pm
Okay . . .where is the sense in creating laws that disarm good guys, and don't apply to the bad guys . . .even though it's supposed to. Doesn't seem too "sensible" Brian.
You have to "have sense" to recognize that I guess.
David June 26, 2012 at 07:33 pm
Everyday, sometimes multiple times a day, Brian posts ridiculous articles, always from the ultra liberal point of view. They receive many responses and he adds even more ridiculous far left crap. I suppose its entertaining to him but for those of us that easily recognize idiot ramblings, its just more foolishness, the same type of foolishness that moved our great country toward socialism and got a socialist elected to our highest office. Disrespect for the Constitution is borderline treason to me. And if I didn't recognize Brian as a lonely COB, I would consider him a treasonist. As it is, I quit playing his games immediately and let him live out his lonely life in his fantasy filled head.
Brian Crawford June 26, 2012 at 11:00 pm
Soooo, I guess that means you won't be subscribing to my newsletter?
Ben June 27, 2012 at 01:28 am
If the Patch has Hired you do give your weird Liberal comments, then you are doing a good Job of being Crazy, Weird, Liberal, for other people to comment on what you have had to say, you are doing a great Job, I read the Patch every Day, to see what is going on in (3) Area's, I don't need to read Junk like this, So YES, I would not miss it, I am control of my self, I can or don't have to read the Patch or anything else, that has JUNK Views or Comments Like you have
Ron McClellan June 27, 2012 at 01:50 am
BRIAN CRAWFORD: Hitler, seriously?
Yes Brian, seriously. Tell ya what, why don't you point out what you perseive as the problem with that comparison . . . .and I'll pretty much school you on the realities . . .in a way you will find most embarrassing. You kinda suck at supporting your position.
Ron McClellan June 27, 2012 at 05:20 pm
Okay, you will stay out of the parks until armed, law abiding citizens are removed from the parks. That way, just the unarmed law abiding citizens and armed thugs will be in the parks. Let me know how that works out for ya!
Brian Crawford July 6, 2012 at 11:46 pm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/retired-texas-dentist-charged-with-murder-says-he-regrets-shooting-wife-after-argument/2012/07/06/gJQAXqBgSW_story.html
Ben July 7, 2012 at 12:05 am
your web site would not come up, sorry, you are such a looser about the truth, people kill people all the time, what about wife's killing there husbans with a car, see news several months ago, she ran over him, maybe they need some signs no cars
Note Article
Just a short thought to get the word out quickly about anything in your neighborhood.
Share something with your neighbors. Write a new post... What's up? Make an announcement, speak your mind, or sell something
Tammy Osier June 18, 2013 at 01:08 am
Sadly, Mr. Newman, we have people who live in a utopic vision of the world and refuse to believeRead More that this can happen. Sounds a bit like 1984. Ironic too, is that in the bible, when the Lord was referring to people being blinded and going astray, he referred to them as sheep, and that phrase has been coined today to denote the same type of mentality. This could happen if our watchmen stop guarding the gate.
Rona Gibbs Watts June 17, 2013 at 02:50 pm
I would be stir crazy if this was my missing dog.
Rona Gibbs Watts June 17, 2013 at 02:52 pm
Have the area Vet offices been contacted or has she be checked for a microchip? People, PLEASERead More microchip your dogs.
tijensen June 15, 2013 at 12:34 pm
The better assignment would have been how could you have written a letter to try and convince themRead More not to commit suicide. To persuade them about all the wonderful things you love about them, how special they are and what the world would miss if they were not in it. A creative teacher could have used the same exercise to teach a life lesson that may have helped someone save a life down the road.
Tammy Osier June 15, 2013 at 12:40 pm
TJ, exactly. Like you said, a GOOD teacher would have found a way to make students think outside theRead More box yet still examine the mood of the story. But I do agree with ggy that it might have been more appropriate for a college aged student. High school (girls especially) have so much drama going on inside of them, and confusion about so many things, that it might be impossible for them to be objective in an assignment like that. Boo to the teacher.
flyinby June 15, 2013 at 08:34 pm
strikes me as more subversive attempts by perverted minds dedicated to influence all our childrenRead More with this sick mindset: http://larouchepac.com/node/11188 http://www.naturalnews.com/040744_euthanasia_children_mercy_killings.html http://www.lifenews.com/2013/06/06/sarah-palin-blasts-sebelius-for-denying-girls-lifesaving-lung-transplant/ http://cnsnews.com/blog/judie-brown/lives-unworthy-be-lived-and-polst http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/the-elite-are-attempting-to-convince-us-that-killing-off-our-sick-grandparents-is-cool-and-trendy suicides higher than car crashes past few yrs http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2207089/56-million-suicide-prevention-programme-launched-study-reveals-Americans-lives-die-car-crashes.html http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/08/more-states-consider-legalizing-assisted-suicide-as-baby-boomers-age/
Octo Slash June 14, 2013 at 12:18 pm
My kids drink coffee every morning because they need something to accompany their cigarettes.
Tammy Osier June 14, 2013 at 01:12 pm
Tr - the perfect diet - the Mediterranean diet has a lot of fish in it. Olive oils etc... OurRead More American diet has a lot of animal fat in it and look at us as opposed to other nations! Fish oil is brain food. A multi is good, but we should ask our pediatricians about adding fish oil to our kids' diets. We should get our (good) fats through diet. Good fats help vitamins go where they are supposed to and do what they're supposed to do.
Deedee June 15, 2013 at 08:12 pm
My grandma always drunk coffee all day and I started around 30 and I am no good without at least oneRead More cup a day but she always stated that we couldn't have any as kids because it will stunt our growth. I have always felt that there is something to many of those old sayings and did not let my son touch it.
Tammy Osier June 17, 2013 at 01:53 pm
DR, seems like an oxymoron doesn't it? I'd like to hear from someone who is actually from there toRead More find out their spin on why they even enter a contestant in the first place. It's my understanding that a woman that shows that much skin in public will be flogged or worse? Maybe democracy is taking ahold in some places, who knows?
Good Grief Y'all June 17, 2013 at 03:24 pm
I was wrong. Guys are interested pageants. You would no doubt be happy if the contestants justRead More wore the face shawl with their bikinis.
Karsten Torch June 17, 2013 at 04:30 pm
Couple of thoughts - One, why hold it in a land where there is going to be this kind of protest?Read More Just move it and don't worry about it. Other, I find it interesting how the Muslims want us to be understanding and inclusive of their beliefs, but don't even think they'll allow anything they don't agree with. Just a tad bit hypocritical...
R June 14, 2013 at 02:06 am
You mean the FEES don't you? Cause they aint taxes don't you know...
Bonnie June 14, 2013 at 11:50 am
I call it a "rainbow!"
M.K. Osborne June 14, 2013 at 03:30 pm
Fees is when its lightning too .
Mr. B June 13, 2013 at 01:29 pm
They're not Americans. They don't deserve to step foot on American soil.
Good Grief Y'all June 13, 2013 at 01:34 pm
Meh, a difference without distinction.
Good Grief Y'all June 13, 2013 at 01:37 pm
Huh, you learn something once in a while on Patch blog threads. I didn't know you must be anRead More American citizen to be tried and convicted of crimes against America . . . ;p I think John and Sarah could handle them . . . you betcha! They would probably beg to be sent back to Gitmo. LOL
EMILY GOLDSTEIN June 7, 2013 at 10:35 am
We don't know yet..it was not me who found her. They had Gwinnett pick her up after staying withherRead More for a few hours..we will know after they process her there. I have contacted golden retriever rescues to let them know so they can see if they have lost ads ..or if need be rescue her
EMILY GOLDSTEIN June 8, 2013 at 02:24 am
She is so sad and missing her owner ANIMAL ID#32243 I am in PEN 114, FEMALE, GOLDEN RETRIEVER. TheRead More shelter thinks I am 3 YEARS OLD. I will be available for adoption starting 6/12/13. FOUND STRAY, LARGE, FRIENDLY Contact the shelter for more info 770-339-3200.
EMILY GOLDSTEIN June 10, 2013 at 03:11 am
Reunited!
Good Grief Y'all June 12, 2013 at 11:43 am
The top marginal tax rate in 1945 was 94%; today it is 35%. This info from one of the slides in theRead More article on various tax charts, including corporate. "A look at 2010 data reveals that the U.S. is one of the least taxed countries in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), according to a study released Monday by Citizens For Tax Justice. The CTJ added up federal, state and local tax revenue. The only countries in the OECD that collected a smaller percentage in taxes are Chile and Mexico, according to the data. The OECD is a group of 34 countries that work together to improve the global economy." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/08/us-lowest-taxes-most-industralized-countries_n_3039470.html?utm_hp_ref=business&icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec3_lnk2%26pLid%3D295994
Good Grief Y'all June 12, 2013 at 12:30 pm
So, B, are you saying no corporations pay taxes? If that were true, why do they offshoreRead More manufacturing and money to avoid and evade? Some don't pay depending on their structure, many do. US corps don't pay as much as most in developed countries, and they sure won't go along with paying more or seeing their CEOs pay more on individual returns. According to the OECD as mentioned in the link, US corporations pay an e f f e c t i v e rate of 13%. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/08/us-lowest-taxes-most-industralized-countries_n_3039470.html?utm_hp_ref=business&icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec3_lnk2%26pLid%3D295994
Maria Navarro June 13, 2013 at 04:36 pm
Most of the government organizations cannot be trusted, as they have been filled with mostly crooksRead More (not all, but a good majority who use their power to fill their pockets)therefore, I think the IRS should be abolished. We need to go to a FAIR TAX and this way EVERYONE would have to pay their fair share!
Karsten Torch June 6, 2013 at 02:02 pm
My wife has this lovely thing she does where she gasps for no apparent reason, or tells me to lookRead More out or something, always for something obvious. And I wind up looking for something else. Drives me nuts. Good thing, after 22 years, she does it much much less now.
Karsten Torch June 6, 2013 at 02:06 pm
One of my favorites: A wife was making a breakfast of fried eggs for her husband. Suddenly, herRead More husband burst into the kitchen. “Careful,” he said, “CAREFUL! Put in some more butter! Oh my GOD! You’re cooking too many at once. TOO MANY! Turn them! TURN THEM NOW! We need more butter. Oh my GOD! WHERE are we going to get MORE BUTTER? They’re going to STICK! Careful. CAREFUL! I said be CAREFUL! You NEVER listen to me when you’re cooking! Never! Turn them! Hurry up! Are you CRAZY? Have you LOST your mind? Don’t forget to salt them. You know you always forget to salt them. Use the salt. USE THE SALT! THE SALT!” The wife stared at him. “What in the world is wrong with you? You think I don’t know how to fry a couple of eggs?” The husband calmly replied, “I just wanted to show you what it feels like when I’m driving.”
Robbi McCaig June 6, 2013 at 04:15 pm
Remember, when you critisize your wife's choices---you were one of them.