.
Feedback

Is the Atlanta Braves 'Screaming Indian' Logo Offensive?

The 2013 batting practice hat shows a return of the team's former logo.

AOL's Sporting News reports the Atlanta Braves will reinstate the "Screaming Indian" as their logo on batting practice hats in the new season. The logo, which hasn't been used since 1989, has caused an uproar in the sporting and baseball blogosphere. 

The Atlanta Braves are among a handful of professional sports teams with names and logos that have Native American references that are, well, insulting to Native Americans. Trying to keep a low profile that is not offensive while keeping with the trends of "nostalgic logos" makes for a tricky existence.

Amid cries of "offensive" and "racist" are those who just give it an "F" for effort

Indian Country Today says though there are many who miss the days of Noc-A-Homa, the "Screaming Savage was considered one of the most offensive Native caricatures in sports, and for many Natives its retirement seemed a victory in the fight against stereotypes in pop culture."

Should the Braves scrap their plans and ensure the caricature of Native Americans is a thing of the past? Or would this be merely a concession to political correctness to Braves fans? 

Newsletter & Alerts

Get the best stories each day and important breaking news

Subscribe

Not from Loganville-Grayson Patch? Find your Local Patch »

Shane Reynolds December 30, 2012 at 02:48 pm
Is there nothing else to write about? This "issue" comes up every few years, and then we realize the only people who care are about eleven white people who don't watch sports and who think all Americans should get back in boats and go back to whichever country our ancestors came from. I don't know how far back we're supposed to go; I guess we would all end up somewhere in the Middle East eventually.
Tammy Osier December 30, 2012 at 07:31 pm
The Huffington Post (AOL) has no juicy news since we haven't gone off the fiscal cliff yet (when the juicy news starts when they can blame repubicans for everything). When all else fails on a slow news day...cry racism (...ad nauseum).
Gail Moore December 30, 2012 at 07:45 pm
I would say that this is pretty important to people with Native American ancestry ... and many others just give this a big "meh."
Tammy Osier December 30, 2012 at 08:04 pm
Gail, I never understood why. Braves? It implies that Native Americans are brave and warriors. To me, that's a good thing, not a bad thing. I figured it was a handful of people that bring this up. I'd be curious of a poll of a majority of native Americans. I just don't think you'd get the same criticism. If i'm wrong, then I'll concede. What about the Cleveland Indians or washington Redskins? Do they have the same problem? In Indiana, Georgia and surrounding states, we have areas named after local tribes. No outcry there. Just curious if this is a true effort or not.
If it truly is offensive, then maybe change the screaming savage to something more dispictive of a Brave Warrior. I always thought of these logos as a way of blending our american heritage together.
Gail Moore December 30, 2012 at 08:06 pm
Will be interesting to see. The links show many comments of outrage. Dylan Murphy of SportsGrid said that "No matter how the Braves PR department tries to spin it, the logo is racist – it’s just a screaming Native American head, emphasizing stereotypes and the emotional simplicity of a people."
I really think as a society, if it doesn't affect us INDIVIDUALLY, we fail to understand the negative affects of something like this.
Ed Varn December 30, 2012 at 08:16 pm
Back a few years when the NCAA was trying to get Florida State to drop "Seminoles" as their mascot, Chief Joseph of the Seminole tribe went with them to the hearing and described the proceedings as "another case of the white man telling the red man what's best for him." That ended that.
But, the media will always be ever alert to perceived "victims".
Paul L. Dragu December 30, 2012 at 09:29 pm
In Western society, you can pretty much say and do anything you want as long as you're not killing or physically hurting anyone. In many other countries you get killed and imprisoned for saying or doing things outside the rules of the state (such was the case where I was born). Conclusion; we are bored as shit because we don't have real problems, so we throw fits about things that are rather irrelevant now. Yes, the Indians were taken over. But guess what? Every tribe of every race has been taken over and enslaved at one time or another. That includes white people. During the Roman Empire there were more slaves than citizens, and yes, most of them were white. Just under a century ago, a lunatic killed 6 million Jews, yet you don't see Jews protesting Mercedes and sauerkraut.
Get over it, people.
Tammy Osier December 30, 2012 at 09:46 pm
I guess I do judge by my perceptions growing up. My grandfather was native american, as dark and handsome as mohogany wood, and I never heard a word of offense from him. My grandfather loved and took me to Braves games. I had jewish people in my family who were not offended at Christmas. We were just not raised that way. You are who you are, good, bad or ugly, now get out and find out what your place is and fulfil the calling on your life.
Indian tribes may have a point, and that's not for me to judge, but I think right now in our society we're all a little "weary" of constant offenses and bringing up race at every turn. I'll be glad when we all embrace our heritages, both good and bad, learn from them and live together as Americans.
Tim December 30, 2012 at 10:21 pm
"Them Florida Semi-Holes ain't nothing but a bunch of half ass indians anyway!"
Tim December 30, 2012 at 10:55 pm
"I'm Cherokee and it doesn't bother me in the least"
Ed Varn December 30, 2012 at 11:16 pm
To paraphrase the late P. T. Barnum: "It's better to be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and leave no doubt."
Mr. B December 30, 2012 at 11:20 pm
My maternal great grandmother was Cherokee. That must make me some part Indian. I'm not bothered. But I have a friend that is more Cherokee than me, 25% I believe (his father was half Cherokee.) He always wonders what people are doing at the Braves games when they do the chop. I usually just tell him to shut up and have another beer. That seems to settle it. He gets his cut from the casino so he's happy.
Tammy Osier December 31, 2012 at 12:01 am
Wait....Ed Varn, that was Abraham Lincoln. PT Barnum said a sucker was born every minute! lol
Kim Roberto December 31, 2012 at 10:34 am
My alma mater, Catawba College in Salisbury, NC, uses the mascot "Indians." Yes, there are Catawba Indians, but we just used Indians, with different variations of a representative of an indian over the years. This same issue came up years ago, and it went before the Indian tribe who supported our use of the name. They felt we used the name honoraby, without malice or mockery. That ended that.
That being said, I think the braves logo is ugly. I don't like it, but not because it is an Indian. It looks like a screaming guy wearing part of a ball cap in front and part of a headress in back. I think they could come up with a better picture.
HRPufnstuf December 31, 2012 at 02:06 pm
I thought he was laughing, not screaming.
Glenn Parsons December 31, 2012 at 02:41 pm
Native Americans were not a sophisticated or technological advanced culture when first encountered by the Spanish and Europeans. Most did not have a written language. The French called them "savages" which was an accurate description. Hollywood totally gave them a new (and totally false), honorable, and spiritual image. That's when it became fashionable to name things such as cars, sports teams, bars, cigar store indians, etc., after them. The White man almost wiped them out, then they put them on reservations, and got them drunk. Now they are angered just like everyone else in America. Or should I say "offended?" Let the symbols remain. I would rather see a screaming brave than a subordinate Tonto.
Andrew Harmon December 31, 2012 at 02:47 pm
Native American groups need to stop worrying about the Braves name and logo, and focus their attention on the Washington Redskins. That actually is a racist term! Could you imagine a team called the Blackskins, or the Yellowskins?
Glenn Parsons December 31, 2012 at 02:58 pm
You must be a Cowboys fan!!
Tammy Osier December 31, 2012 at 03:10 pm
AH, that's why I wondered if there had ever been a problem with that one. I cna see that. And KR, our roads and schools etc...are all named aftr tribes. Those names belong to the tribes nad they should have a say, but I have to wonder why no one said anything years ago when those areas were named. I always saw itas a sign on honor a well. Although, hollywood hasn't helped their image at all, but does hollywood ever do anything honorable?
Karsten Torch December 31, 2012 at 03:11 pm
"Racist" is a term thrown around so much now, it means nothing. I'm convinced people wake up in the mornings and just look for things to be offended by. Guess what? In this country, we have no right not to be offended. Get over it.
Racist- 1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. 2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race. Using "Braves" and the screaming Indian doesn't fall into either category. Sorry, but crying "Racism" just makes you look stupid. Would it be better to use an image of an Indian in a suit standing in front of a casino?
Good Grief Y'all December 31, 2012 at 05:41 pm
"Braves" is not offensive, but the image is. They should keep the name and change the picture.
Glenn Parsons December 31, 2012 at 07:59 pm
He looks like he is choking. Fits right in! :o)
Michael Robinson December 31, 2012 at 09:16 pm
Positive stereotypes get irritating (and sometimes depressing) to those who don't or can't live up to them.
bobby black December 31, 2012 at 10:51 pm
Or blame George Bush.
Todd January 3, 2013 at 04:53 pm
Where can I buy one?
I love that it has become a symbol of PC stupidity. Now I would actually wear the god-awful looking thing. In educated circles this phenomenon is called: Doing something that is counter-intuitive.
Mitch January 3, 2013 at 05:35 pm
I think the logo is a good representation of ex-Brave Andruw Jones the other night while he was putting that desk together and his (soon to be ex)wife came over and said “no that piece goes this way and you have to screw this piece on that end”. He then grabs her by the neck and drags her down some stairs and threatens to kill her.
I can totally relate to Andruw, I have made that same face! Not for a wife beating of course, I’m referring to the desk assembly. Those instructions can be ridiculously frustrating sometimes!
Ed Varn January 3, 2013 at 06:19 pm
tammy--I've also seen it attributed to Einstene in and Groucho Marx. Probably one of those little homilies that have been around since Biblical times.
North Georgia Weather January 3, 2013 at 06:46 pm
You must be friggin' kidding me... nothing else to talk about? No more IMPORTANT news to discuss?
REALLY?
tae tae January 17, 2013 at 04:16 am
Come on!!!!!!!!!!!!! There MUST be something else to talk about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Note Article
Just a short thought to get the word out quickly about anything in your neighborhood.
Share something with your neighbors. Write a new post... What's up? Make an announcement, speak your mind, or sell something
Sadly, Mr. Newman, we have people who live in a utopic vision of the world and refuse to believeRead More that this can happen. Sounds a bit like 1984. Ironic too, is that in the bible, when the Lord was referring to people being blinded and going astray, he referred to them as sheep, and that phrase has been coined today to denote the same type of mentality. This could happen if our watchmen stop guarding the gate.
Rona Gibbs Watts June 17, 2013 at 02:50 pm
I would be stir crazy if this was my missing dog.
Rona Gibbs Watts June 17, 2013 at 02:52 pm
Have the area Vet offices been contacted or has she be checked for a microchip? People, PLEASERead More microchip your dogs.
tijensen June 15, 2013 at 12:34 pm
The better assignment would have been how could you have written a letter to try and convince themRead More not to commit suicide. To persuade them about all the wonderful things you love about them, how special they are and what the world would miss if they were not in it. A creative teacher could have used the same exercise to teach a life lesson that may have helped someone save a life down the road.
Tammy Osier June 15, 2013 at 12:40 pm
TJ, exactly. Like you said, a GOOD teacher would have found a way to make students think outside theRead More box yet still examine the mood of the story. But I do agree with ggy that it might have been more appropriate for a college aged student. High school (girls especially) have so much drama going on inside of them, and confusion about so many things, that it might be impossible for them to be objective in an assignment like that. Boo to the teacher.
flyinby June 15, 2013 at 08:34 pm
strikes me as more subversive attempts by perverted minds dedicated to influence all our childrenRead More with this sick mindset: http://larouchepac.com/node/11188 http://www.naturalnews.com/040744_euthanasia_children_mercy_killings.html http://www.lifenews.com/2013/06/06/sarah-palin-blasts-sebelius-for-denying-girls-lifesaving-lung-transplant/ http://cnsnews.com/blog/judie-brown/lives-unworthy-be-lived-and-polst http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/the-elite-are-attempting-to-convince-us-that-killing-off-our-sick-grandparents-is-cool-and-trendy suicides higher than car crashes past few yrs http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2207089/56-million-suicide-prevention-programme-launched-study-reveals-Americans-lives-die-car-crashes.html http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/08/more-states-consider-legalizing-assisted-suicide-as-baby-boomers-age/
Octo Slash June 14, 2013 at 12:18 pm
My kids drink coffee every morning because they need something to accompany their cigarettes.
Tammy Osier June 14, 2013 at 01:12 pm
Tr - the perfect diet - the Mediterranean diet has a lot of fish in it. Olive oils etc... OurRead More American diet has a lot of animal fat in it and look at us as opposed to other nations! Fish oil is brain food. A multi is good, but we should ask our pediatricians about adding fish oil to our kids' diets. We should get our (good) fats through diet. Good fats help vitamins go where they are supposed to and do what they're supposed to do.
Deedee June 15, 2013 at 08:12 pm
My grandma always drunk coffee all day and I started around 30 and I am no good without at least oneRead More cup a day but she always stated that we couldn't have any as kids because it will stunt our growth. I have always felt that there is something to many of those old sayings and did not let my son touch it.
Tammy Osier June 17, 2013 at 01:53 pm
DR, seems like an oxymoron doesn't it? I'd like to hear from someone who is actually from there toRead More find out their spin on why they even enter a contestant in the first place. It's my understanding that a woman that shows that much skin in public will be flogged or worse? Maybe democracy is taking ahold in some places, who knows?
Good Grief Y'all June 17, 2013 at 03:24 pm
I was wrong. Guys are interested pageants. You would no doubt be happy if the contestants justRead More wore the face shawl with their bikinis.
Karsten Torch June 17, 2013 at 04:30 pm
Couple of thoughts - One, why hold it in a land where there is going to be this kind of protest?Read More Just move it and don't worry about it. Other, I find it interesting how the Muslims want us to be understanding and inclusive of their beliefs, but don't even think they'll allow anything they don't agree with. Just a tad bit hypocritical...
R June 14, 2013 at 02:06 am
You mean the FEES don't you? Cause they aint taxes don't you know...
Bonnie June 14, 2013 at 11:50 am
I call it a "rainbow!"
M.K. Osborne June 14, 2013 at 03:30 pm
Fees is when its lightning too .
Mr. B June 13, 2013 at 01:29 pm
They're not Americans. They don't deserve to step foot on American soil.
Good Grief Y'all June 13, 2013 at 01:34 pm
Meh, a difference without distinction.
Good Grief Y'all June 13, 2013 at 01:37 pm
Huh, you learn something once in a while on Patch blog threads. I didn't know you must be anRead More American citizen to be tried and convicted of crimes against America . . . ;p I think John and Sarah could handle them . . . you betcha! They would probably beg to be sent back to Gitmo. LOL
EMILY GOLDSTEIN June 7, 2013 at 10:35 am
We don't know yet..it was not me who found her. They had Gwinnett pick her up after staying withherRead More for a few hours..we will know after they process her there. I have contacted golden retriever rescues to let them know so they can see if they have lost ads ..or if need be rescue her
EMILY GOLDSTEIN June 8, 2013 at 02:24 am
She is so sad and missing her owner ANIMAL ID#32243 I am in PEN 114, FEMALE, GOLDEN RETRIEVER. TheRead More shelter thinks I am 3 YEARS OLD. I will be available for adoption starting 6/12/13. FOUND STRAY, LARGE, FRIENDLY Contact the shelter for more info 770-339-3200.
EMILY GOLDSTEIN June 10, 2013 at 03:11 am
Reunited!
Good Grief Y'all June 12, 2013 at 11:43 am
The top marginal tax rate in 1945 was 94%; today it is 35%. This info from one of the slides in theRead More article on various tax charts, including corporate. "A look at 2010 data reveals that the U.S. is one of the least taxed countries in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), according to a study released Monday by Citizens For Tax Justice. The CTJ added up federal, state and local tax revenue. The only countries in the OECD that collected a smaller percentage in taxes are Chile and Mexico, according to the data. The OECD is a group of 34 countries that work together to improve the global economy." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/08/us-lowest-taxes-most-industralized-countries_n_3039470.html?utm_hp_ref=business&icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec3_lnk2%26pLid%3D295994
Good Grief Y'all June 12, 2013 at 12:30 pm
So, B, are you saying no corporations pay taxes? If that were true, why do they offshoreRead More manufacturing and money to avoid and evade? Some don't pay depending on their structure, many do. US corps don't pay as much as most in developed countries, and they sure won't go along with paying more or seeing their CEOs pay more on individual returns. According to the OECD as mentioned in the link, US corporations pay an e f f e c t i v e rate of 13%. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/08/us-lowest-taxes-most-industralized-countries_n_3039470.html?utm_hp_ref=business&icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec3_lnk2%26pLid%3D295994
Maria Navarro June 13, 2013 at 04:36 pm
Most of the government organizations cannot be trusted, as they have been filled with mostly crooksRead More (not all, but a good majority who use their power to fill their pockets)therefore, I think the IRS should be abolished. We need to go to a FAIR TAX and this way EVERYONE would have to pay their fair share!
Karsten Torch June 6, 2013 at 02:02 pm
My wife has this lovely thing she does where she gasps for no apparent reason, or tells me to lookRead More out or something, always for something obvious. And I wind up looking for something else. Drives me nuts. Good thing, after 22 years, she does it much much less now.
Karsten Torch June 6, 2013 at 02:06 pm
One of my favorites: A wife was making a breakfast of fried eggs for her husband. Suddenly, herRead More husband burst into the kitchen. “Careful,” he said, “CAREFUL! Put in some more butter! Oh my GOD! You’re cooking too many at once. TOO MANY! Turn them! TURN THEM NOW! We need more butter. Oh my GOD! WHERE are we going to get MORE BUTTER? They’re going to STICK! Careful. CAREFUL! I said be CAREFUL! You NEVER listen to me when you’re cooking! Never! Turn them! Hurry up! Are you CRAZY? Have you LOST your mind? Don’t forget to salt them. You know you always forget to salt them. Use the salt. USE THE SALT! THE SALT!” The wife stared at him. “What in the world is wrong with you? You think I don’t know how to fry a couple of eggs?” The husband calmly replied, “I just wanted to show you what it feels like when I’m driving.”
Robbi McCaig June 6, 2013 at 04:15 pm
Remember, when you critisize your wife's choices---you were one of them.