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Is Biden Right About a Shotgun Being the Best Protection?

The vice president said recently he keeps two shotguns in his own home.

Vice President Joe Biden recently caused a stir when he told people at a roundtable discussion that if they were worried about protecting themselves at home, a shotgun would be more beneficial than an AR-15.

This was being debated in the context of the Obama administration’s calls to renew the federal assault weapons ban. In a Fox News story, Biden was quoted as telling the group that he instructs his wife to use a shotgun in the event of a problem. He reportedly said he’s told his wife to walk out onto the balcony and fire two blasts from the double-barreled shotgun.

“I promise you whoever’s coming in is not gonna,” Biden is reported as saying. “You don’t need an AR-15 (assault rifle). It’s harder to aim. It’s harder to use and in fact you don’t need 30 rounds to protect yourself.”

A double-barreled shotgun has long been a weapon used to incite fear.

So is Biden right? What do you think?

Would a double-barreled shotgun be an adequate deterrent and a better choice should a woman feel the need for protection?

Sharon Swanepoel (Editor) February 27, 2013 at 03:36 pm
Can we please keep this on topic and not make it about personal attacks on any particular poster. Not only does it violate our terms, but it is also counter productive to the argument. It draws attention away from a point that might otherwise be given consideration.
Karsten Torch February 27, 2013 at 10:00 pm
I just tried.....
Karsten Torch February 27, 2013 at 10:01 pm
And, also on topic...
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/02/daniel-zimmerman/va-man-arrested-for-following-double-barrel-bidens-armed-defense-advise/ Hmmmm....yep, Biden knew exactly what he was talking about. I'm just not sure who's dumber - Crazy Joe for saying it, or this guy for following his advice....
Tammy Osier February 28, 2013 at 02:09 am
I think I mentioned that a while back and I think I got criticized for it (stray bullets can hit pedestrians, babies etc...). I also said that it was IRRESPONSIBLE since someone will take his advice and get arrested for it. I swear, those who defend him give me the visual of someone going NANANANANANA while holding their hands over their ears. He's an absolutely looney.
R February 28, 2013 at 03:27 am
Why thank YOU!
(In the best "The Closer" tone you can imagine) If that was meant as dig, it didn't work but it did put a hardy smile on my face. (Since you've oft wondered if I really smile)
R February 28, 2013 at 03:49 am
One just has to ask ...
How many of those who believe we actually require additional firearm restrictions on number of rounds / magazine size or semiautomatic weapons have been caught in a riot in real time? (Not TimeLife Photos) Some may find it hard to believe, but when the "fun breaks out" 911 or the number you use to reach the police agency - be it City, Township, County, or State will tell you "you are on your own..."
R February 28, 2013 at 03:52 am
Good Grief, ever get together with Allstate's Mr. Mayhem?
I mean he is everywhere...
R February 28, 2013 at 03:57 am
Couple of rounds won't hold off a mob for very long at all and the rest won't let you stop and reload...
Good Grief Y'all February 28, 2013 at 12:28 pm
Actually, R+, I've never wondered whether you smile. Sorry.
And, I didn't mean that as a dig, rather as a statement of fact. The far right is so far to the right that anything a bit closer to center looks like the middle.
Good Grief Y'all February 28, 2013 at 12:41 pm
Thank you, Sharon. That would be a welcome change!
Good Grief Y'all February 28, 2013 at 12:48 pm
Looks like somebody else is doing the nanananananana. It was only a matter of time, waiting for a story like Karsten's to pop up.
The fools who do stupid things and blame someone in the news are still fools.
Racer X February 28, 2013 at 12:57 pm
Karsten- Very true. Last Sunday my wife shot my 12 gauge and it nearly knocked her over. Of course, she is only 120lbs (wouldn't marry a fat girl). I handed her my SKS and she can empty the 20 round mag while staying on target.
Racer X February 28, 2013 at 01:04 pm
Awesome link Karsten, fitting picture of Biden as well. He looks like Beaker from the Muppets.
Racer X February 28, 2013 at 01:06 pm
GGY- What's wrong with Karsten's story? It fits the conversation and I don't see how the guy in the story did anything wrong.
Racer X February 28, 2013 at 01:11 pm
Karsten- I think the 43 number is something some liberal just pulled out of his pooter.
Racer X February 28, 2013 at 01:13 pm
Mr. Brown- Again, what does the bible say about the lazy and entitled?
Karsten Torch February 28, 2013 at 02:07 pm
So...Biden's right in what he said, let's defend him, whatever. And the first guy that gets arrested for following his advice is a fool who did something stupid.
Liberal logic - got it.....
Good Grief Y'all February 28, 2013 at 02:16 pm
I didn't say anything is wrong with Karsten's story. It may be true or may be concocted (not by Karsten) to show up VP Biden. Honestly, I didn't look at it.
My point was that it was bound to happen - somebody (idiot) was going to do just that and blame it as "advice" from the VP. When that did happen, someone on this thread was going to get a thrill and and invoke schoolyard taunts while accusing (by visual) the other side of schoolyard taunts. Silly stuff.
Racer X February 28, 2013 at 03:11 pm
Making a point is hardly a schoolyard taunt, to most people.
John B February 28, 2013 at 03:18 pm
It's only a schoolyard taunt when you're in the wrong and don't have the fuzz on your beanbag to admit it.
Good Grief Y'all February 28, 2013 at 03:18 pm
I didn't say VP Biden was right. I haven't said that, ever. He was making a point and he got what he intended - people talking about home protection weapons.
Yes, if that guy did a stupid thing against whatever his local laws state faces consequences. Talking about something and actually doing something are two different things. Isn't it you who is always writing "talk is cheap"?
Mr. B February 28, 2013 at 03:19 pm
It proves their position as invalid. You really didn't think they would let it slide without taking a potshot at you, did you? Liberals have to change the subject in an attempt to make themselves look good. Facts defeat their purpose. I'm surprised with all the murderous abortions, protests against gun owners, crying to the Supreme Court to allow gay marriage, etc. they even have time for such trivial stuff as replying to you Racer.
Good Grief Y'all February 28, 2013 at 03:23 pm
Most people would agree that: "I swear, those who defend him give me the visual of someone going NANANANANANA while holding their hands over their ears." is a school yard taunt. Saying that while you're using your own "evidence" against someone else's point while saying non-words is worse. I would call it hypocrisy. But, that's just my opinion. :)
Yet, I make a point with no schoolyard silliness and Sister lol and the gang come after me. Isn't it you who often writes, "go figure"?
Good Grief Y'all February 28, 2013 at 03:25 pm
We're all entitled to our opinions. I shouldn't be the judge of you, and you shouldn't be the judge of me.
Good Grief Y'all February 28, 2013 at 03:27 pm
Speak of the devil . . . as if on cue :D
Mr. B February 28, 2013 at 03:27 pm
I still love that Carly Simon song!
Good Grief Y'all February 28, 2013 at 03:32 pm
"43 x more likely to kill a family member, friend or acquaintance than to kill an intruder"
Racer, that came from a report in the New England Journal of Medicine. Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to repeat it. :)
Good Grief Y'all February 28, 2013 at 03:34 pm
Mr. B, I sense a power struggle. Are you still "Leader of the Pack"?
Hold on tight as you patiently wait for April 1 :D
Good Grief Y'all February 28, 2013 at 03:36 pm
As are you, R+. I have seen your letters on quite a few blogs around here. I am far from the Queen of Patch ;)
Good Grief Y'all February 28, 2013 at 03:44 pm
I've never been to a riot. You go to one or where one is expected and probable, you go at your own risk. You get caught up in one against your will, I guess you could pull out your gun and get off a few rounds before someone gets you. If you have a business in the slums, you already know what your problems are.

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You mean the FEES don't you? Cause they aint taxes don't you know...
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