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Does the Media Have the Responsibility and Right to Publish the Names of Gun Owners?

In the wake of the murders in Connecticut, the Journal News ran a story with the names and addresses of gunowners in Westchester and Rockland counties.

On Dec. 22, LoHud.com, powered by Journal News, released a story titled Map: Where are the gun permits in your neighborhood?” Based on information acquired through the Freedom of Information requests made to Westchester, Rockland and Putnam counties, the maps have dots that indicate and list the names and addresses of those in the community with permits for pistols or handguns.

The map, along with the accompanying article by Dwight R. Worley, “The gun owner next door: What you don't know about the weapons in your neighborhood,” have generated more angry comments about irresponsible journalism rather than support of publication of this type of information. 

The paper has upheld its decision based on the public’s need to know and that the information IS public. 

Opponents of the maps cite that not only does the information make gun owners the target of potential theft, it will make some unlikely to renew their permits when the time comes to do so. It will also likely make new owners hesitant to legally register their personal firearms. It also makes note of which homes do NOT have registered firearms, perhaps making them a larger potential target for crime.

From a journalistic standpoint, Al Tompkins, a senior faculty member at The Poynter Institute, says the following:  

Just because information is public does not make it newsworthy. People own guns for a wide range of law-abiding reasons. If you are not breaking the law, there is no compelling reason to publish the data.
Publishing gun owners’ names makes them targets for theft or public ridicule. It is journalistic arrogance to abuse public record privilege, just as it is to air 911 calls for no reason or to publish the home addresses of police or judges without cause.

What do you think? Does the public have the right to this kind of information? Is it continued sensationalism of a hot topic or is it the responsibility of the media to provide the community it serves with the information? Or is this an invasion of privacy and perhaps "journalistic arrogance"?

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Jeff Allen December 28, 2012 at 01:59 pm
A right....yes they do and yet I think Al Tompkins states it best as quoted in the article above.
Even the right to free speech can be used a way that could be bring unintended consequences to others.
Gail Moore December 28, 2012 at 02:47 pm
It would seem the bloggers have taken it upon themselves to map out the homes of the staff on the newspaper ... http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/27/us/new-york-gun-permit-map/index.html?hpt=hp_c2
Bloggers and newspapers. There's a question of the day in there somewhere.
Fred Smith December 28, 2012 at 03:20 pm
Personally I am all about freedom of speech and freedom of the press. But with anything that freedom can be abused, on the speech side look at Westboro Baptist Church. On the Freedon of the Press side, this article explains poor taste in journalism. There will be unintended consequences for articles such as these and a small battle between the general population and the crap writers out there has ensued because of it.
I really don't think people who have gun permits will not get a gun permit again because of this, that would be stupid on their part. The whole purpose of small arms that can be concealed is for personal protection. Although, it would be better for them to not renew so that no one knows how many guns they have. It is our duty as protectors of our homes to own a firearm or other forms of protection. I have worked for a security company that installed security systems in homes. There have been more times than I would care to discuss where I went into a home after it had been burglarized. There was one where I was not allowed to go in because someone had broken into the home, with the people there and shot the husband, who had a baseball bat. It would have been a much different story if he had a gun and proper training with that weapon. Disgusting if you ask me, what happens to our unarmed civilian population. I will close with, this is journalism arrogance at its finest and I expect we will see more as the gun battle continues on.
Tammy Osier December 28, 2012 at 03:34 pm
A careful study of freddom of speech shows that it really has nothing to do with any of this. It is the right of a free people to redress their government without fear of imprisonment. How far we've skewed it to apply to just about anything. Jeff is right about the consequences... I'm not sure how, but I think motive could be proven in this. It's not the right of people to know. If that was the case, two sides would have been presented.
Two of the people on that list were abused wives who had moved to keep their ex's from finding them. If something happens to either of them, if I were them or their families, I'd sue til they had nothing left but their underwear. I think you could prove that one easily. It's disgusting that a paper can hide behind a right, but that's what we've come to expect from a certain side of the spectrum - immaturity and revenge.
Tammy Osier December 28, 2012 at 03:56 pm
@ Gail. Do we know what the response to that was yet? I read that and his blog was called, "Sauce for the Goose". LOL I hate that I get some kind of perverse pleasure ot of it, but I do. It's about time someone fought back. The (some) media has way too much power and influence and allowed to operate with a lack of responsibility. Probably boycotting the paper or their advertisers might be a better way to go.
Ed Thomas December 28, 2012 at 04:01 pm
I doubt seriously the Founding Fathers ever envisioned freedom of the press going this far. Is it legal, yes. Is it moral or ethical, NO! It is a press with an agenda against guns that took advantage of the mass murders in Connectict to further that agenda. Seems like an unbiased press is a thing of the past. When your are not very good at reporting the news---just make something up.
A note on the gun issue: According to the FBI, the number 1 weapon used in violent crimes…is a baseball bat. WHY is there NO outcry to RESTRICT baseball ownership? Anyone want to go after baseball bats? The worst part about them is tens of thousands of them are in the hands of children. OMG! Maybe because so many law-abiding citizens enjoy them safely, for sport? Hmmmm!
Tammy Osier December 28, 2012 at 04:18 pm
@ Ed Thomas. Excellent post!
Marne M December 28, 2012 at 04:24 pm
Many of them were also former Law Enforcement Officers who retained a permit after retirement. I've put a number of very bad individuals in prison during my time as an Officer. While yes, there are probably other means of finding out where I live, I'd really rather not make it any easier than it needs to be.
Just because something is legal, doesn't necessarily mean it is ethical. I suppose this newspaper had a "right" to publish the information. But I think it was a poor decision that has the potential to put legal, law-abiding citizens at risk.
Tammy Osier December 28, 2012 at 05:49 pm
@ Marne - I read that too. It's a shame really. people who gave their lives to Law Enforcement deserve to have a peaceful retirement. When working with juveniles and gang members, I was aware that they could easily find out where I lived if they had a mind to. But, to publish that so boldly, is almost an invitation of sorts (to the unstable mind). Extremely unethical and irresponsible.
Jeffrey Allen December 28, 2012 at 06:03 pm
That whole "can vs should" dilemma...yes you can, but...should you publish private information on people who have done nothing wrong? I think not.
James Smith December 28, 2012 at 06:54 pm
The constitution gave us rights that we should all take seriously. Alot of people have been programmed to think it is ok to do the wrong things. We need to take a hard look the media has lied to the public and is owned by the people destroying our country. I say kick them out of the USA , Honor God and the Constitution. We have taken God out of everything what do people expect the outcome might be. Stand up America Keep the Constitiution as is and Boycott the media.
Alexander Williams December 28, 2012 at 07:00 pm
Perhaps LoHud has provided a public service, here, providing criminals with a "you may should avoid these houses at all costs" map.
As a first pass, were I considering doing some daylight robberies, I might cross-check to keep my risks low. Sucks for everyone else in those neighborhoods, though ...
Ben December 29, 2012 at 12:17 pm
All of this is about the shooting of the 20 Children & 6 Adults several weeks ago, which was a Very bad day for all of the worlds people, I to, do not like gun violance.
Have you looked at Drunk Drivers, They Kill 40 + People a day each day of the week plus hurt a lot of people, cause a lot of damage, Why don't they call on the newspapers to print the names and address of the Drunks that have been arrested for DUI or Public Drunkness Plus the Night Clubs or Bars, Liquor & Beer Stores that sold them the Beverages, They Tell the Names & Address of the Sex offenders. I have no problem with a gun permit, I have one, The People who apply for a permit do have back ground checks, If you have committed a crime or several other things, they will come get you, you have to have a clean record, so a lot of people that have guns don't apply for a permit, because of this. But they have Guns anyway. I would reather have a registered Gun owner living next to me than a Drunk or Sex offender. If you want to stop the 40 plus killing a day in the U S A have a Liqour & Beer Control First. Year ago a Drunk Driver coming back from a sports avent, Killed a Mother & 3 Children, this is just as back as what happened in the Schools
Karsten Torch December 29, 2012 at 01:29 pm
Ben and Ed -
This push from the government has nothing to do with actually solving a problem. I can assure you that they have no intention of solving any problems. It's about power. It's about that thorn in their side, those that are able to protect themselves from the abuses of government, those that keep this country from sliding downhill into the morass of evil and chaos, those are the ones they're after with this latest attempt to get all the guns. Until we actually turn that corner past being able to help ourselves, we will never be truly dependent on government. They want to coddle us, to nanny us, and until they take away our last means of self preservation, they're unable to do that to the extent they want to. Never mind that data that says they're wrong. Never mind the countless examples that show they're doing the wrong thing. The media is completely on their side. And I just haven't yet figured out why. Maybe because a nation in crisis makes for better news. And yes, I know at this point I should probably be wearing my tinfoil hat. But remember, you're not paranoid if somebody's actually following you....
Elizabeth December 29, 2012 at 02:18 pm
I totally agree, Jeffrey.
Karsten Torch December 29, 2012 at 03:07 pm
That's the other part of it though, Jeff. They (liberals, the media) think that these people ARE doing wrong.
Tammy Osier December 29, 2012 at 03:54 pm
@ karsten. 100% on the money. It's about power and a nation in crisis makes better news.
About the tin foil hats...then I guess we should change all those pictures of our founding fathers to have muskets and tin foil hats. The fact that is HAS happened before is precisely why we have to fight to preserve it. The left are of a mindset that you get something and someone else will preserve it for you. Or, you just rewrite history or pretend it never happened. No....it (freedom) is given to all of us, and we were admonished that wolves will always be at the door to take it from us, therefore the need to preserve it. "Give me liberty or give me death?" Sound like a guy who needs a tin foil hat?
Amy December 29, 2012 at 06:26 pm
I want to know who has a permit to bear firearms in my neighborhood. That way I can run to your house for help if I'm being attacked.
Tammy Osier December 29, 2012 at 06:45 pm
@ Amy lol
Robbi McCaig December 29, 2012 at 09:52 pm
I think it very fair for the blogger to run the names of the so-called journalists who write more opinion columns than news. It's about time the right fights the left with the same dirty tactics being used against them.
Mr. B December 29, 2012 at 10:24 pm
Drop by my house anytime Amy. I'm married. I'd probably find you attractive. LOL
Xardox December 30, 2012 at 08:58 pm
Putting out a newspaper used to be a hazardous occupation, digging for such details people really wanted to know (Did the bride wear white?) at the risk of tar and feathers, in a time men took firearms to church regularly. Just because something is technically feasible doesn't make it a great idea. Do you really want them to know you DON'T have a gun?
Mike Smith December 31, 2012 at 03:25 pm
It seems that this entire conversation is missing the foundation of the debate.
Why do most of us just assume that it is OK for the government to hold this personal information in a public fashion the first place? While government background checks for carry permits are necessary, there is no good reason the results of these checks must be held for public display. After the check is complete and the permit issued this data should be sealed like our medical records and IRS files - This small change would resolve the entire issue.
Tammy Osier December 31, 2012 at 03:45 pm
MS, very insightful. It's a shame that we have come to the place where we can be taxed unreasonably and think it's normal. We give up our right to privacy and don't blink. We've done it for so long that it becomes normal. That's how governments get the power that they do- the people voluntarily give it up without a fight. But those who fight it are told that they wear tin foil hats.
Jim Stephenson December 31, 2012 at 04:19 pm
We just had an article in the Patch about a local gun shop getting robbed. Publishing the addresses of residences of license holders, in which there are probably guns, will subject homeowners to this same possibility. The robbery happened at around 1 am in the morning, a time during which most homeowners are asleep in bed.
Note Article
Just a short thought to get the word out quickly about anything in your neighborhood.
Share something with your neighbors. Write a new post... What's up? Make an announcement, speak your mind, or sell something
Sadly, Mr. Newman, we have people who live in a utopic vision of the world and refuse to believeRead More that this can happen. Sounds a bit like 1984. Ironic too, is that in the bible, when the Lord was referring to people being blinded and going astray, he referred to them as sheep, and that phrase has been coined today to denote the same type of mentality. This could happen if our watchmen stop guarding the gate.
Rona Gibbs Watts June 17, 2013 at 02:50 pm
I would be stir crazy if this was my missing dog.
Rona Gibbs Watts June 17, 2013 at 02:52 pm
Have the area Vet offices been contacted or has she be checked for a microchip? People, PLEASERead More microchip your dogs.
tijensen June 15, 2013 at 12:34 pm
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Tammy Osier June 15, 2013 at 12:40 pm
TJ, exactly. Like you said, a GOOD teacher would have found a way to make students think outside theRead More box yet still examine the mood of the story. But I do agree with ggy that it might have been more appropriate for a college aged student. High school (girls especially) have so much drama going on inside of them, and confusion about so many things, that it might be impossible for them to be objective in an assignment like that. Boo to the teacher.
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Octo Slash June 14, 2013 at 12:18 pm
My kids drink coffee every morning because they need something to accompany their cigarettes.
Tammy Osier June 14, 2013 at 01:12 pm
Tr - the perfect diet - the Mediterranean diet has a lot of fish in it. Olive oils etc... OurRead More American diet has a lot of animal fat in it and look at us as opposed to other nations! Fish oil is brain food. A multi is good, but we should ask our pediatricians about adding fish oil to our kids' diets. We should get our (good) fats through diet. Good fats help vitamins go where they are supposed to and do what they're supposed to do.
Deedee June 15, 2013 at 08:12 pm
My grandma always drunk coffee all day and I started around 30 and I am no good without at least oneRead More cup a day but she always stated that we couldn't have any as kids because it will stunt our growth. I have always felt that there is something to many of those old sayings and did not let my son touch it.
Tammy Osier June 17, 2013 at 01:53 pm
DR, seems like an oxymoron doesn't it? I'd like to hear from someone who is actually from there toRead More find out their spin on why they even enter a contestant in the first place. It's my understanding that a woman that shows that much skin in public will be flogged or worse? Maybe democracy is taking ahold in some places, who knows?
Good Grief Y'all June 17, 2013 at 03:24 pm
I was wrong. Guys are interested pageants. You would no doubt be happy if the contestants justRead More wore the face shawl with their bikinis.
Karsten Torch June 17, 2013 at 04:30 pm
Couple of thoughts - One, why hold it in a land where there is going to be this kind of protest?Read More Just move it and don't worry about it. Other, I find it interesting how the Muslims want us to be understanding and inclusive of their beliefs, but don't even think they'll allow anything they don't agree with. Just a tad bit hypocritical...
R June 14, 2013 at 02:06 am
You mean the FEES don't you? Cause they aint taxes don't you know...
Bonnie June 14, 2013 at 11:50 am
I call it a "rainbow!"
M.K. Osborne June 14, 2013 at 03:30 pm
Fees is when its lightning too .
Mr. B June 13, 2013 at 01:29 pm
They're not Americans. They don't deserve to step foot on American soil.
Good Grief Y'all June 13, 2013 at 01:34 pm
Meh, a difference without distinction.
Good Grief Y'all June 13, 2013 at 01:37 pm
Huh, you learn something once in a while on Patch blog threads. I didn't know you must be anRead More American citizen to be tried and convicted of crimes against America . . . ;p I think John and Sarah could handle them . . . you betcha! They would probably beg to be sent back to Gitmo. LOL
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EMILY GOLDSTEIN June 10, 2013 at 03:11 am
Reunited!
Good Grief Y'all June 12, 2013 at 11:43 am
The top marginal tax rate in 1945 was 94%; today it is 35%. This info from one of the slides in theRead More article on various tax charts, including corporate. "A look at 2010 data reveals that the U.S. is one of the least taxed countries in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), according to a study released Monday by Citizens For Tax Justice. The CTJ added up federal, state and local tax revenue. The only countries in the OECD that collected a smaller percentage in taxes are Chile and Mexico, according to the data. The OECD is a group of 34 countries that work together to improve the global economy." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/08/us-lowest-taxes-most-industralized-countries_n_3039470.html?utm_hp_ref=business&icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec3_lnk2%26pLid%3D295994
Good Grief Y'all June 12, 2013 at 12:30 pm
So, B, are you saying no corporations pay taxes? If that were true, why do they offshoreRead More manufacturing and money to avoid and evade? Some don't pay depending on their structure, many do. US corps don't pay as much as most in developed countries, and they sure won't go along with paying more or seeing their CEOs pay more on individual returns. According to the OECD as mentioned in the link, US corporations pay an e f f e c t i v e rate of 13%. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/08/us-lowest-taxes-most-industralized-countries_n_3039470.html?utm_hp_ref=business&icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec3_lnk2%26pLid%3D295994
Maria Navarro June 13, 2013 at 04:36 pm
Most of the government organizations cannot be trusted, as they have been filled with mostly crooksRead More (not all, but a good majority who use their power to fill their pockets)therefore, I think the IRS should be abolished. We need to go to a FAIR TAX and this way EVERYONE would have to pay their fair share!
Karsten Torch June 6, 2013 at 02:02 pm
My wife has this lovely thing she does where she gasps for no apparent reason, or tells me to lookRead More out or something, always for something obvious. And I wind up looking for something else. Drives me nuts. Good thing, after 22 years, she does it much much less now.
Karsten Torch June 6, 2013 at 02:06 pm
One of my favorites: A wife was making a breakfast of fried eggs for her husband. Suddenly, herRead More husband burst into the kitchen. “Careful,” he said, “CAREFUL! Put in some more butter! Oh my GOD! You’re cooking too many at once. TOO MANY! Turn them! TURN THEM NOW! We need more butter. Oh my GOD! WHERE are we going to get MORE BUTTER? They’re going to STICK! Careful. CAREFUL! I said be CAREFUL! You NEVER listen to me when you’re cooking! Never! Turn them! Hurry up! Are you CRAZY? Have you LOST your mind? Don’t forget to salt them. You know you always forget to salt them. Use the salt. USE THE SALT! THE SALT!” The wife stared at him. “What in the world is wrong with you? You think I don’t know how to fry a couple of eggs?” The husband calmly replied, “I just wanted to show you what it feels like when I’m driving.”
Robbi McCaig June 6, 2013 at 04:15 pm
Remember, when you critisize your wife's choices---you were one of them.