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Do the Dueling Videos of 'Redistribution' vs. the 47 Percent Give a Clear Choice for Voters?

After a video was leaked exposing comments Mitt Romney made at a fundraiser, one has now surfaced that the Romney camp says shows that the president's agenda is one of redistribution of wealth.

Earlier in the week, news outlets were consumed by a leaked video of presidential candidate Mitt Romney saying 47 percent of Americans do not pay income taxes and are therefore dependent on the government. Now, according to a report in The Huffington Post, another video, reportedly pushed by The Drudge Report, allegedly shows President Barack Obama claiming he supports "redistribution." Romney has been standing by his 47 percent statement, claiming it shows the difference between he and Obama, with Obama supporting a "government-centered" society.

"I know there are some who believe that if you simply take from some and give to others then we’ll all be better off. It’s known as redistribution. It’s never been a characteristic of America," The Huffington Post reported Romney saying Wednesday at an Atlanta fundraiser. "There’s a tape that came out just a couple of days ago where the president said yes he believes in redistribution. I don’t. I believe the way to lift people and help people have higher incomes is not to take from some and give to others but to create wealth for all."

So do these two tapes give us a clear vision of exactly who we will be voting for in November? Or is it all just more of the same, an indication of how bloody the water will be when November finally rolls around? Tell us in comments below. 

Brian Crawford September 20, 2012 at 12:56 PM
Good Lord. Not only is the "redistribution clip" that Romney's playing 14 years old, it's taken completely out of context. Obama was giving a public lecture about policy research to help the working poor and was actually critical of government inefficiency. It is in no way an apples to apples comparison. The kind of redistribution Obama was talking about is the kind of redistribution we as a nation have agreed upon for the past 100 years with our system of progressive income taxation. As Obama said, "redistribution on a certain level" is a good thing. This isn't socialism it's sound economics. Here's the entire clip with Obama's full closing remarks. Fortunately the press is starting to catch on to Romney's selective editing and is calling out the campaign for it's dishonesty. This is yet another example of his managerial incompetency. Romney may be the world's greatest bean counter but he is a terrible leader.
Jimmy September 20, 2012 at 01:22 PM
During the 2008 campaign Obama told Joe the plumber that he wanted to spread the wealth around and in another interview he said he wanted to raise capital gains taxes, even if he knew up front that it wouldnt increase revenues to the govt, because he thought it would make things more fair. That was only 4 years ago. He doesnt grasp the concept that wealth is created. He believes it to be a zero sum game, and that by making the rich poorer, he will somehow make the poor richer. That may not be socialism, but it certainly isnt sound economics. He is a redistributionist at his core.
GregRodgers September 20, 2012 at 02:08 PM
Jimmy...so what your saying is....if we somehow have pell grants and such that help people get an education that this will not ulitmately help grow wealth? There are a bunch of folks who were given help...Scott Brown Mass, Rob Zerban Wi, John King CNN...and Mitt Romney's Father....who all had government help at some point and all went on to become sucessful people. So to say it cannot lead to wealth is not a valid statement. As for the video clip of Obama..It was Public and as did not disparage 47% of the population. It also was is position in 2008. Mitt is grasping at straws. Plus he must not really know about the United States Government. He said last night at his stop in Florida..."Obama ...on a clip just released talks about something that has never been done. Want to do something we have never seen which is redistribution of wealth."...Really? How long has welfare and government programs been in place....more than 80 yrs. How is Obama bringing something never seen before. More lies or Mitt has no idea what he is talking about.
Jimmy September 20, 2012 at 02:23 PM
Greg, in typical liberal fashion, you just won a beautiful argument against a straw man. Well done! Now go back and read what I wrote and find where I said anything, anything at all, about pell grants or other educational help. Brian's comments suggested that in part because the clip of Obama was 14 yrs old it somehow isnt valid anymore. I pointed out that Obama's redistibutionist ideas were alive and well as recently as four yrs ago... What does that have to do with Scott Brown or George Romney?
GregRodgers September 20, 2012 at 02:42 PM
Shocking that people who often talk about things have no idea. Sorry I made the assumption that because you brought up "redistribution" that you could possibly be able to follow me: "The most common approach is through taxation. In the best case scenario, the wealthy are taxed at levels different from those with lesser annual incomes. The end result is that low and middle class households retain more of their earnings for the upkeep of their households, and the tax money received from the wealthy can be used to help fund programs that aid those less fortunate in stretching their limited means to manage such important tasks as funding higher education with the aid of government grants or scholarship programs." Not typical liberal (which I am not). You are correct...you did not say anything about educational help...you spoke of redistribution and how Obama does not understand how wealth is created. My point is...this particular piece to the Redistribution of wealth can certainly lead to wealth through education. Therefore, part of Obama's thinking on this subject can lead to prosperity. However, Republicans want to gut governent help for education. Do you follow me now? As it relates to Scott Brown, George Romney and Rob Zerban....all of these folks were on Government Assistance at some point. All became wealthy.
Larry Reid September 20, 2012 at 02:54 PM
"managerial incompetency" Well, that's odd analogy of a multimillionaire businessman. But then again, you may feel Romney had to steal money to obtain his wealth.
Larry Reid September 20, 2012 at 02:59 PM
GregRodgers, perhaps it is you that has a problem following along.
Jimmy September 20, 2012 at 03:04 PM
Redistribution as you've described it is different than that professed by someone who for example wants to raise cap gains taxes to make things 'fair', even with the knowledge beforehand that it wouldnt increase revenues to the govt. Thats punitive and its not sound economic policy. A pretty good case could be made that the increasing role of govt in education causes the higher costs that make govt help 'necessary' in your scenario... I dont think Republicans want to gut education, but I do think they would like to see a reduced role of the federal government in education especially at the K-12 level... At the end of the day, the contrast is being drawn between the 53% who pay and the 47% who dont. What happens when those numbers equate? Or worse, when the numbers are flipped. There just isnt enough money out there to keep redistributing like we have been- regardless of how positively you spin the idea.
MSALLE September 20, 2012 at 03:25 PM
redistribution? Punitive taxation of those who have earned more( maybe even worked more)? Let me tell my one son who has sacrificed and worked long hours to be successful to give some of his money to the other son who has spent his days on the beach and his nights partying away whatever money comes his way. Just asking do any socialist countries who "shares the wealth" have ANY wealth? Are the people better off?
Brian Crawford September 20, 2012 at 03:33 PM
Romney is a bean counter, a paper pusher. He's never managed anything other than money. I know the type. He's been successful at gaming the system. This is a different ballgame. There is nothing in his background to suggest he is a particularly effective leader. I've managed more people in my life than Romney has.
Brian Crawford September 20, 2012 at 03:37 PM
"In every wise struggle for human betterment one of the main objects, and often the only object, has been to achieve in large measure equality of opportunity. In the struggle for this great end, nations rise from barbarism to civilization, and through it people press forward from one stage of enlightenment to the next. One of the chief factors in progress is the destruction of special privilege. The essence of any struggle for healthy liberty has always been, and must always be, to take from some one man or class of men the right to enjoy power, or wealth, or position, or immunity, which has not been earned by service to his or their fellows." - Theodore Roosevelt http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?document=501
Brian Crawford September 20, 2012 at 03:42 PM
As usual Jon Stewart is right on point, and funny while doing it. Warning: this clip has some salty language, primarily the BS word, so if that sort of thing bothers you don't watch it. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/20/jon-stewart-fox-news-romney-47-percent-video_n_1899787.html
M.A.Dawson September 20, 2012 at 03:52 PM
John Stewart is a no talent, Bill O'Reilly butt sucking hack!
GregRodgers September 20, 2012 at 03:57 PM
Larry....I follow along perfectly. But thanks for your concern!
GregRodgers September 20, 2012 at 04:01 PM
MSALLE...you do realize that every paycheck you make is taxed and that money goes to the Government and goes to "share the wealth"? This is not new.
Mike McDaniel September 20, 2012 at 04:37 PM
Redistribution? 47%? Wake up people. The problem is uneploymnet in Gwinnett above 9% for the LAST 4 YEARS. Naional Debt has risen in 3.8 years from 10 Trillions to 16 Trillions of $ in the last 4 years. There is no room for trivial discussions that tend to divert from these 2 FACTS. By the way, in this video, Romney also revealed that he begged Bernanke not to start a new round of printing money. We are not selling this debt to other countries. WE ARE PRINTING MONEY. The inflationary shot we will eventually get (3 mos. - 2yrs max) will devastate retirements, drive up oil purchases and reduce personal buying power sharply.
Jimmy September 20, 2012 at 07:44 PM
That its 'not new' doesnt make it right...
R++ One of the Famous Dacula Crew September 21, 2012 at 05:12 AM
Well I guess just clinging to GOD and guns isn't enough or NOT as shovel ready as we once thought... We could always return to the standard "We have to pass it to find out what's in it" ... But since they didn't build that, WHO actually wrote the ACA? We've had an immaculate conception, reception and now legislation...
R++ One of the Famous Dacula Crew September 21, 2012 at 05:14 AM
OR irrelevant to the discussion, its just one of many inconvenient truths tis all...
R++ One of the Famous Dacula Crew September 21, 2012 at 05:17 AM
@ Brian you must have JUST loved Jon's commentary on the DNC's Charlotte stop this year then...
Bill September 21, 2012 at 11:38 AM
If Obama wins, I will shut down the small business I bought in 2008 just before its 40th birthday and become a Democrat. I intend to go on food stamps and apply for any other public assistance I can find. My back is really starting to hurt and by November I'll be unable to continue these 12 hour days I've been working for the past few years. In fact, if I research it, I'm probably 100% disabled. I'll refuse help from my church and relatives and join the 47% that vote for whoever will promise them the most. I feel bad for my six employees, but they can join me in living off the government. How long can someone draw unemployment again? Could one of you fellow liberals please direct me to all the assistance programs I may qualify for?
Global Warming September 21, 2012 at 11:57 AM
You can cancel your cell service too. After you are on the dole, you will absolutely need a Free Cell Phone. It's no wonder that everyone wants to come to America. Good luck with your back.
Steve Rausch September 21, 2012 at 12:00 PM
Bill I wish we had a "Like" button on this! Keep remembering Republicans sign their checks on the front, Liberal Democrats sign checks on the back!
Robert J. Nebel September 21, 2012 at 01:11 PM
@Mike McDaniel Indeed, the entire state's unemployment hovers around the 9.2% mark. Local leaders have the opportunity to help reduce the unemployment numbers. Gwinnett is a county that can be turned around if it could attract and add a variety of small businesses and corporations. Bio-tech is one area that can come to the county and add hundreds of jobs - if state gov't would lift the barriers that have been in place. Other sectors can come to the county as well. Tech Park has plenty of room for new companies to move in. The county will have long-term challenges due to a lack of infrastructure investment, water supply issues and bad traffic. Gwinnett can do better. This county has a wealth of talent and enthusiastic entrepreneurs. There is no doubt that the county can add to those numbers.
Jimmy Neese September 21, 2012 at 04:00 PM
I can not believe that people do not see the lack of ability of this president. There is not one home that has not lost its value. There is not one thing good about 45 milion people on food stamps and 16 trillion dollar debt. A president who doesnt even guide enough to pass a budget in the past 3 1/2 years. Not enough foreign policy to even meet with foreign leaders about the crisis in the middle east. Rather rub shoulders with talk show host and rappers than meet and take care of business. Never run any kind of business other than be a Community Organizer. Totally incompetent as a leader. Buys votes by giving to those who want a free ride. Passes Obama Care without even reading or letting us read all the crap and taxes you and I will have to pay. How can anyone be dumb enough to vote for such a socialist. The man has done nothing before being in office and while in Office. He is a total Scam artist. One who is leading this country and all its people into a debt crisis that will cause the US to collapse. The news media has managed to fool a lot of people. Don't be one of those.
Jimmy Neese September 21, 2012 at 04:11 PM
Hey Robert you are right the County can do better. If Danny porter gets his way and adds a new investigator for just the County Government it will help. Its been all about the good old boy system. Even if he gets it, hes got to prosecute and and put some of the crooks over there in jail to get us moving in the right direction. Its time they clean it up. Then we might have enough money to spend on the real things we need in the county. All the extra millions we got hit with from the former commissioners has slowed down progress.
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