Chick-fil-A Flap

Do you support action against Chick-Fil-A for what some call its anti-gay stance?

The growing debate about whether Chick-fil-A CEO Dan Cathy overstepped the line when he openly spoke of his support for marriage in the biblical sense has once again divided the country on the issue of gay marriage.

Gay rights advocates are calling for a ban on Chick-fil-A and some government officials are backing them up. Two mayors, Rham Emanual in Chicago and Thomas Menino in Boston, have pledged to keep Chick-fil-A out of their cities. In a Time Magazine article, it is reported that there is no report or evidence that the restaurant chain discriminates against gay or lesbian customers or employees. The argument is strictly over Cathy’s statement in support of the biblical definition of the family unit.

“We are very much supportive of the family — the biblical definition of the family unit. We are a family-owned business, a family-led business, and we are married to our first wives. We give God thanks for that,” he is quoted as saying in an interview.

A recent story in Online Athens quoted Chad Griffin, president of the Human Rights Campaign that works for same-sex-marriage,  as saying that Chick-fil-A "has finally come clean" after cloaking its positions for years.

"While they may have been in neutral, kicking this fight into overdrive now allows fair-minded consumers to make up their own minds whether they want to support an openly discriminatory company," Griffin said in a statement. "As the country moves toward inclusion, Chick-fil-A has staked out a decidedly stuck-in-the-past mentality."

The same story quotes from a released statement from Chick-fil-A corporate, headquartered in Atlanta, in which it points out that the company has a history of applying biblically-based principles to its business, such as keeping its stores closed on Sundays.

"The Chick-fil-A culture and service tradition in our restaurants is to treat every person with honor, dignity and respect — regardless of their belief, race, creed, sexual orientation or gender," according to the statement.
"Going forward, our intent is to leave the policy debate over same-sex marriage to the government and political arena," it said.

The Time Magazine article reports Cathy doesn’t mention gay marriage or openly claim to be against it, just reinforces his support of what he refers to as “the biblical definition of the family unit.” But gay rights advocates say you can't be for one without obviously being against the other. Time magazine points out, however,  that any action against the business by city officials in either Boston or Chicago is likely to violate the First Amendment right to free speech.

So do you think that this type of action against the restaurant chain is warranted because not matter what you call it, being in support of “biblical marriage” is just another way of saying you’re against gay marriage? Or is this a free speech issue and in particular nobody should face penalties by a government agency for speaking their mind?

This topic has been tackled by other Patch sites too: (Yes, there are a lot of us around).

Jeffrey Allen August 03, 2012 at 01:27 PM
And it's entirely fair...I took great pains to address both sides here. Both sides of this "storm" look foolish if you ask me. And sorry, my friend...telling someone they might as well just kill people because that's what you equate their disagreement with you with? That's an attack. Couldn't let it go. I think you're a better person than. It's part of what sucked me out of the basement.
Georgia Democrat August 03, 2012 at 02:26 PM
This and other such comments gave me a sick feeling . . . an unwelcome appetite suppressant for CFA and any other food.
North Georgia Weather August 03, 2012 at 02:27 PM
Good, don't eat there, entirely your choice.
Georgia Democrat August 03, 2012 at 02:28 PM
A timely quote from today's Upper Room: "We are not the stars in making the music of faith; Christ is."
Jeffrey Allen August 03, 2012 at 04:20 PM
Suggesting a forced feeding "for Jesus" is as much a fail as telling someone they hate gay people so much they might as well just kill them. two fails don't make a win. When does it end? Why not just talk to each other instead of just hurling mindless insults back and forth?
Tik August 03, 2012 at 05:42 PM
I am grateful to live in a country that protects freedom of speech. I wish more Americans understood what this means. We have freedom of speech protections on paper--but, in practice, we obviously have a long way to go.
Georgia Democrat August 03, 2012 at 06:34 PM
NGW, you're right, my choice. Let me interpret what I said for you, and it wasn't that I'm boycotting CFA. I don't go there often enough for it to be called that, anyway. The image of a gang of people possibly kidnapping and forcing food down someone's throat because he has exercised his American freedom to express his views, is ugly and violent - an appetite suppressant for a normal person. That's what I said and meant. I didn't say the food was unappetizing. That scenario causes me to picture Mitt leading his entourage to chase down a classmate, hold him down and forcibly cut his hair. Bullying is never okay. It's certainly not funny. Reading comprehension probs again or just contrariness? I like CFA food, the service is always friendly, the stores clean, but it's hard to get in and out of the Loganville store parking lot on your average weekday lunch hour, so I avoid the peak times. The herd mentality of people jamming the area's roadways to get their chikin sammie and flaunt their outrage was over the top. Herd mentality . . . the irony of that image is funny to me. One lady was interviewed in the line who said she didn't agree with the politics, but loved the food. She let her appetite prevail over her convictions. Wonder how many others went for that or similar reasons? Not important. This, too, shall pass, and let's hope it's soon.
Grant August 03, 2012 at 08:04 PM
Jeff , Obviously my post was intended to be snarky and sarcastic dude, you know that , you knew it when you read it . We HAVE met .. It was intentional as , indeed, that's what I'm led to believe to be the "Biblical" views on homosexuality are., we both know I can cite plenty of scripture to support that but it's pointless. iI'm way more interested to read responses to the question you posed Jeff writes " Tell me...based on His own words/deeds, do you think Jesus hates gay people? Or do you just think that some of the people who claim to speak for Him do?" Since "His own words and deeds" are reported to us many years after they are supposed to occur I'd suggest that "evidence" is pretty sparse. Based on what is written in the Bible I'd think it quite obvious that the practiced quite the opposite of anything that might be construed as hatred (wasnt fond of fig trees though) and certainly would NOT have been standing in the parking lot of a fast food joint in solidarity with a guy that finances hate groups . In fact if indeed He does or did ever exist I would imagine He'd be quite disappointed and just plain sad at the actions perversion of His teachings and the ridiculous nonsense committed by some in His name Good question!
North Georgia Weather August 03, 2012 at 08:43 PM
I had no problem comprehending you at all. You make it very easy. Let me ask you a question. So you think people going to buy food to show their support is over the top? If you find that over the top, then how do you feel about the CFO in the YouTube video (in case your liberal media hasn't reported it http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/03/viral-video-man-picking-on-chick-fil-worker-gets-him-fired/ ), how do you feel about mayors making threats against a company that are discriminatory, who do you feel about the things your side has said and done? I haven't heard or seen theses actions coming from the CFA side. And buying a chicken sandwich is over the top? I have totally lost all respect for your lame arguments.
Jeffrey Allen August 03, 2012 at 09:38 PM
Yes I was aware that your commentary was snark...if I didn't I would not trust you with my musical instrument care needs. But without that prior knowledge, of which many folks here have none, that's not mere snark...that's a hateful remark. There's just no other way to read it, man... To be so flippant to dismiss that kind of rhetoric, yet to be so sensitive to the stuff hurled your way? Now that's taking selective reasoning to an art level. Not that I took as much issue with the "Force feeding for Jesus" remark as I did your "Why not skip the middle man and kill you some fags?" garbage. Tell me, does all your talk get a free pass as "snark" while the stuff from the other side does not? How's that fair? It's not. It's samey samey, Gets us nowhere and is pointlessly divisive. To engage in one side or the other is to contribute to the storm of stupid, if you ask me. But, anyhoo...maybe we're getting somewhere with this part... I agree that the story of Jesus is NOT one that advocates hate. I am pleased that on this point we agree. While I'm not sure it's "hate" to speak an un-PC opinion, or even to fund like-minded groups. That has been debated to death and it is fruitless to engage further. I'm not sure either really hates the other, but it is apparent that few on either side has enough courage to cross the divide and actually engage in anything but hurling insults at each other. THAT truly makes me sad.
Gary Fox August 03, 2012 at 10:46 PM
I was simply expressing my "right to free speech" just like Grant :-) :-) Not realistic to think anyone would REALLY go kidnap him & force him to eat anything - it was just a fun thought :-) :-) Speaks to just how silly some of Grant's remarks are. This whole thing should end soon HUH??
Georgia Democrat August 03, 2012 at 11:37 PM
NGW, I did read about that jerk. That was over the top, too. The CFA employee handled him the right way. Glad she was well-trained and calm. Otherwise, it could have escalated the tension; he may have had a gun. Democrats have those, too. He got his just deserts - that's with one s, so I don't mean pie. I don't think those mayors were right, either - just adds to the already ridiculous drama. They're hurting their own citizens and making themselves look bad. But then, they're not in the South. Both sides, and the middle, are guilty of political posturing. And I say this is more about politics than rights or religion. Afterall, Huckabee, former pres.candidate and current political pundit/Fox commentator, got this going after Cathy's statement. Again, NGW, go back and re-read my sentence - pay attention to the subject: "The herd mentality . . . jamming the area's roadways . . . was over the top." The sandwich, not the subject, didn't jam the roadways. I find that the liberal, such as it is, MSM is just slightly less right wing than the conservative MSM. They all slant, and they all like to keep things stirred up - it's how they make their money and get more famous, as many Americans fall prey to their tactics. Are you kidding? The CFA franchisees and Corporate stores are loving this! Profits, baby! For Cathy, that means more $$$ for lobbyists to buy discrimination legislation. I suspect you never had any respect for my "arguments".
Pam August 03, 2012 at 11:39 PM
End soon? Not if Grant has anything to SPEW about it. He loves spreading his hate of christianity and always has. This subject is just something else for him to do with his time. What a life.
Georgia Democrat August 03, 2012 at 11:44 PM
Free speech has consequences, even though it's free. That it was a fun thought, also unsettling. One can only hope, but don't despair b/c another manufactured outrage is just around the corner.
John B August 04, 2012 at 12:27 AM
Well if they did kidnap him they probably would bring him back in less than 30 minutes......
Jeffrey Allen August 04, 2012 at 02:12 AM
Awesome...I wonder if anyone besides Grant has anything to say about the question posed... " Tell me...based on His own words/deeds, do you think Jesus hates gay people? Or do you just think that some of the people who claim to speak for Him do?" Thus far he's the only one to offer an opinion and...wow!...it's probably not one ya'll might have expected. (scroll up and read it yourselves, it's actually pretty good) So....maybe we can have a meaningful conversation after all. Anyone else care to chime in?
Georgia Democrat August 04, 2012 at 11:15 AM
Definitely the latter. Jesus was perfect, so He couldn't have hated anyone for any reason. His is a message of love, of everyone, including one's enemies. Grant seems to know more about Him than many of His followers, based on comments here and how the Christian public reacts when affronted.
Racer X August 04, 2012 at 11:22 AM
I am sure GF was only kidding around. Christians are not well-known for kidnapping. Now, if GF were a Muslim................
Racer X August 04, 2012 at 11:29 AM
I have a theory that Georgia Democrat is actually Brian Crawford pretending he is a woman and using a moniker instead of a name to help him stay in the closet. Come on Brian, we are ok with it, you can tell us.
Gary Fox August 04, 2012 at 11:51 AM
Grant may know the printed words HOWEVER IF his blabbing is representative of his lifes application of same HE'S LOST Hate the sin NOT the sinner- yes that includes Grant & everyone else. What else is there?! That being said, people following Christ aren't required on any level to like or accept behavior such as that condemed in the Bible (Another one of my "free speech" moments)
Georgia Democrat August 04, 2012 at 12:26 PM
@Mikey, maybe, but his remark was not funny. Some criminals, including kidnappers, are Christian (determined by their belief, not their behavior), but not all Muslims are terrorists. But, then, you knew that . . . you're just trying to start up another line of discussion.
Georgia Democrat August 04, 2012 at 12:31 PM
Thanks for the compliment, Mikey, but you insult Brian. You do like your conspiracy theories, don't you, along with your sexist mentality, or homophobia may be more accurate?
Georgia Democrat August 04, 2012 at 12:40 PM
Only God determines who is lost. But, Gary, the problem is that hateful comments are spilling over from the sin to the sinner, blatantly so. Hate is a negative emotion, no matter how it's applied. Dislike, disagree, even deny . . . all better than hate. True, but Christians are answerable for their sins, including intolerance and bad behavior . . . by you know who. I guess that also means non-believers are answerable to their own conscience, if they have one.
Randy Davis August 04, 2012 at 01:04 PM
After doing a bit of research, I found it worth noting that the “shocking donations” that are being made issue of are groups such as the Fellowship of Christian Athletes and Focus on the Family. More information is given at this link: http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/03/chick-fil-a-controversy-shines-light-on-companys-charitable-giving/ I was wondering why they never seemed to name these "anti-gay" groups. These groups don't seem to fit in the picture that's being painted.
Randy Davis August 04, 2012 at 01:04 PM
After doing a bit of research, I found it worth noting that the “shocking donations” that are being made issue of are groups such as the Fellowship of Christian Athletes and Focus on the Family. More information is given at this link: http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/03/chick-fil-a-controversy-shines-light-on-companys-charitable-giving/ I was wondering why they never seemed to name these "anti-gay" groups. These groups don't seem to fit in the picture that's being painted.
Randy Davis August 04, 2012 at 01:10 PM
Those that use the Bible as a stick to beat others with on both sides seem to rarely have a good grasp of what's in it. For instance, how does Jesus driving the money changers out of the temple in Matthew 21:12 fit in with the loving picture being painted here?
Gary Fox August 04, 2012 at 05:26 PM
Hope the good people over @ Kraft Foods are paying attention.
Jeffrey Allen August 06, 2012 at 02:08 PM
I've noticed that this, as in most internet commentary, the comments tend to reflect more on the the person making them than it ever does the person it is directed towards. SO, in the end, there's a lot of angry back-n-forth that can be construed as "hate" from one side or the other. I don't think anyone involved really hates anyone else involved, it just seems like intolerance of other views is rampant...on either side of this. This thread is a tiny slice of the national "conversation"...I think there's an actual conversation happening, but it's not in forums such as this, where people just yell generalities back and forth, not really listening to the other side except to find something in the wording to twist around to sound stupid. What's the point? That doesn't get us anywhere. Take a moment, stop beating your own ideas into the other side and try...just try...to understand where those other people are coming from.
Grant August 06, 2012 at 03:32 PM
Randy , Are you suggesting James Dobson and his "Focus on the Family" folks arent vehemently anti gay? Seems like you owe yourself some more research
Athens Mama August 09, 2012 at 06:08 PM
Dan Cathy's organization's funding.... http://equalitymatters.org/factcheck/201207020001


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