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Presbyterian Church Ordains First Gay Minister

Twenty years after he had to leave his Presbyterian ministry in California, the first gay minister was ordained in a Presbyterian church in Madison, Wis. Saturday.

A Presbyterian Church in Wisconsin ordained the church’s first gay minister Saturday.

According to a report in Fox News, Scott Anderson, 56, was ordained in the Covenant Presbyterian Church in Madison, Wis., more than 20 years after leaving his Presbyterian church in California after telling his congregation he was gay. At that time, the Presbyterian Church in the U.S. barred homosexuals from serving as ministers. Last year, however, the National Assembly of the Presbyterian Church voted to remove the ban. Before revealing his homosexuality, Anderson served as a minister in a Presbyterian ministry in Sacramento, Calif. from 1983 until 1990. He came out to his congregation and resigned after a couple threatened to reveal his sexual orientation.

There have, however, been rumblings that by ordaining Anderson, there is likely to be a split in the Presbyterian church. Tom Hay, director of operations for the General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) told the Huffington Post that he did expect it to happen.

"The Episcopalians, the Lutherans, the United Church of Christ have all made this step and all have experienced losses," he is quoted as saying. "I would expect we will, too. I would grieve that and hope we can find better solutions than to break apart."

In 2004, the Rt. Rev. Dr. Foley Beach formed in Loganville after breaking away from the Episcopal Church of U.S.A. following the appointment of the Rev. V. Gene Robson, an actively gay man, as a bishop in 2003. However, since its early beginnings in the cafeteria of Loganville Middle School, Holy Cross Anglican Church has grown to a thriving church in Gwinnett County with Beach now consecrated as the first Bishop of the Anglican Diocese of the South.


"For many caught in this dilema, they will not have a choice -- that is, if they practice and live the teachings of the Bible," Beach said, adding it is always tragic to see this happen. "But 2,000 years of Church history has shown us that the Church has a pattern of drifting away from the teachings of the Bible, and then some group has to make tough choices in order to remain faithful to the Lord."

Crystal Huskey October 10, 2011 at 02:39 pm
Yes, I think there will be a split. There is already, actually. http://www.fellowship-pcusa.org/about/ The issue of ordaining gay ministers is something that people feel very strongly about, whether they are for or against it. It is based off of how people interpret the Bible - is it literal, or not? If it's literal, then there are clear verses that denounce homosexuality. Others interpret those verses to be cultural rather than prescriptive. Either way, people will be true to their convictions.
Bishop, J. W. Bruni October 10, 2011 at 04:20 pm
God is clear on his views of homosexual matters. The scriptures I have posted are from the King James version of the Christian Bible. Homosexuality is defined as, sexual desire toward a members own sex. This act is FORBIDDEN, Leviticus 18:22. This act is PUNISHABLE, Leviticus 20:13. This act is considered an ABOMINATION, 1 Kings 14:24. This act is UNCLEAN, Romans 1:24-32. Please keep in mind as you review the scriputes I have posted for you to read, Let the Holy Spirit guide you in your decision on this subject and remember " BE NOT DECIEVED; GOD IS NOT MOCKED: FOR WHATSOEVER A MAN SOWETH, THAT SHALL HE ALSO REAP ", Galatians 6:7. Touchedin1995@aol.com
Grant October 10, 2011 at 05:43 pm
You related to the Phelps clan Bishop?
So you would have gay people stoned to death in the name of your God? Arent you a peach... I guess that "love thy neighbor" that is so often repeated in your book should have an asterisk? Here's an idea, how about you just worry about your flock and tone down the hatred and judgement of everyone else there chum? Shellfish is an abomination according to Leviticus , or does it get a pass for being tasty?
sig arnesen October 10, 2011 at 05:55 pm
Congratulations to the Presbyterians! Sure, the narrow-minded and selective scripture bearers will pout, posit defamations, and disregard the God who is always INCLUSIVE
for one that fits in their little box. Yes, it is a shame, but such folks have been around, in one form or another, or one issue or another, for a very long time.
Robert Bliss October 10, 2011 at 07:50 pm
@Bishop, J.W. Bruni - You write, "The scriptures I have posted are from the King James version of the Christian Bible. Homosexuality is defined as, sexual desire toward a members own sex." However, I find no reference in the King James version of the Holy Bible to the word "Homosexuality" or it's definition. I am not here to defend the lifestyle described in the chapters and verses you reference in your remarks. However, I am opposed to using terminology and words that are not written in the KJV of the Holy Bible to support your argument. From now on, when quoting the KJV, don't add words or definitions that are not written in the holiest of books written in the English language.
Bishop, J. W. Bruni October 11, 2011 at 09:20 pm
Distortion of Scripture is defined as, an inacurate interpretation of Gods Word. This act you acuse me of is CONDEMED, Proverbs 30:5-6. This act you acuse me of will be TURNED INTO FABLES, 2 Timothy 4:3-4. This act you acuse me of is by the UNLEARNED, 2 Peter 14-18. This false act you acuse me of, GOD WILL PUNISH, Revelation 22:18-20. Please consider the following scriptures, Galatians 5:16-24, 2 Timothy 3:1-7 and Revelation 22:10-15. Please take a few minutes and pray to GOD as you know him that I may only share the truth and share it only in Love for my fellow brothers in Christ. Remember, Jesus loves you and so do I through him!
Sharon Swanepoel (Editor) October 12, 2011 at 02:39 pm
Please remember our commenting rules. While we certainly value your opinions, we don't allow personal attacks.
Robert Bliss October 12, 2011 at 02:46 pm
@Bishop, J. W. Bruni - Before you have GOD condemn me for distorting scripture, please point out the scripture that mentions the word "homosexual" and it's definition in the KJV. If I am unlearned, when was the word "homosexual" entered into the English language? My sources identify the word first being used in 1892. When was the KJV written? If you can prove these facts differently, I will accept God's punishment along with His Grace poured out upon me for loving all of mankind as did Jesus! By the way, where do you stand on the Grace of God, the Grace of His Son Jesus Christ, and the Grace of the Holy Spirit?
Robert Bliss October 12, 2011 at 03:21 pm
The reason we have so many differing traditions in the organized Christian Churches is because of how these groups of beleivers choose to determine God's will for his creation. Most Christian Churches have a heiarchcy that meets on a regular basis to discuss social issues and how their interpretation of God's will should be veiwed and accepted by their congregational bodies. Whether we as individuals agree with the findings and intrepretation of these councils is between God and our own interpretation and beliefs.
Fortunately, God sent Paul to show us how we should act in resolving differences within the Church as he presents in 1 Corinthians. If we follow these instructions, we will be in God's Will. If after first following these instructions, we cannot be in agreement, we then must do as Jesus suggested. "If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town." Matthew 10:14 NIV You will eventually find another Christian tradition that will share your interpretation.
Grant October 12, 2011 at 03:26 pm
Huh? Lemme try this again...
Dear Bishop, Your book does not apply to everyone.Furthermore your INTERPRETATION of your book does not apply to everyone. Might I suggest you let God do the judgement ? May you be touched by His Noodly Appendage R'amen
Robert Bliss October 12, 2011 at 04:02 pm
Sharon, do you feel that my challenge to Bishop Bruni was a personal attack? I did not feel that I ever got personal in asking for his reference sources and explaining my disagreement with his choice of words which I find inflammatory when he uses the KJV of the Bible as his source.
Bishop, J. W. Bruni October 12, 2011 at 04:36 pm
My first blog staes "let the HOLY SPIRIT guide you on your Decision". This is not an attempt to force any views on anyone. The second blog is a request to pray for me, "that I post ONLY the truth of scripture and share it in LOVE".
Discipline is defined as; reproof/correction, Job 36:10 Discipline of the Church is; rules of practice among a community of believers. This is needed to REMOVE THE WICKED, 1 Corinthians 5:6-13. This discipline is needed to CORRECT DISORDER, 1 Thessalonians 3:6-15. Discipline in the Church is also needed to MAINTAINS SOUND FAITH, Titus 1:10-16. Heres how to impose the DISCIPLINE OF THE CHURCH. This is to be done in LOVE 2 Corinthians 2:3-11, for EDIFICATION 2 Corinthians 10:1-12. MEEKNESS Galatians 6:1-10 and done in SUBMISSION Hebrews 13:7-21. I believe there is and always will be HOPE FOR EVERYONE! Hebrews 11:1. Jesus loves you and so do I through him!
Bill Bunting May 11, 2012 at 06:40 pm
I don't think that supporting the truth of the Bible is suggesting that anyone be stoned to death. It is very clear in many books of the Bible that homosexualality is a sin and that a person living openly in sin cannot be in charge of anything in God's church. ( 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ). While I agree that it is a sin, i do not hate the sinner. We cannot continue to stray away from God's commands by passing resoutions that contradict his word. Know that I love all people enough to tell them the truth. The truth is that homosexuallity is a sin and a person must repent like any other sin. Praise be to God!!
Bill Bunting May 11, 2012 at 06:44 pm
Amen and Amen Bishop....
Grant May 11, 2012 at 07:46 pm
Grant
3:01 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012 Bill writes "It is very clear in many books of the Bible that homosexualality is a sin " Ignoring for a moment the simple fact that some folks believe the Bible to be nothing more than a compilation of ancient Middle Eastern campfire stories shared when the sheep were tired... Chapter and verse please (degree of difficulty , New Testament only) Or are you one of those that points to Leviticus to condemn homosexuality while eating lunch at red lobster in your cotton/poly shirt Bill ? Are you actively engaged in scheduling the required stonings? Whatever shall I wear ? Didnt Jesus lift the mosaic law? So what you have left is a bit of Paul's "opinion " ( IMO if he existed he was a closeted self loathing homosexual himself) Paul being "only " a man and not any sort of divine being vague references to "sexual immorality" which are most certainly up for personal interpretation , one man's sexual immorality is another's "Saturday night" ..So it would appear that a reasonable "Christian" could easily reconcile homosexuality AND the bible .. There , of course , is the other issue. What the people of this church believe to be "the truth and the word" may differ from your beliefs...Shocking I know but your personal religious beliefs apply only to yourselves. Deal with it And may you be touched by His Noodly Appendage R'amen Sincerely The Shaman of Lama Dingdong (Feb 2011)

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