I live across the road from Ivy Creek, and I didn't hear anything - no sirens or anything. Are there any details yet?

Sherry, police said they would update as soon as they had details. The official I spoke to last night was on his way to the scene and said he would let me know once he had more information. I reported all I could confirm last night.

Everything has been deferred to the police chief. I am waiting for the official word from him and then I will update.

I live down that road too. Scary. Please keep us updated. Thanks!

I live in Chandler Walk next to Ivy Creek. I heard multiple gunshots around 11:15pm. Please keep us posted!

I think it was sometime between 11 and 11:15.

I have just been told the police chief won't be in until noon and he's the point person on this so I won't be able to update before then.

We live in the subdivision. Tons of police with lights and sirens so we went out. Man was on his property and had threatened entry with a gun. Police arrived and they finally got him to drop the gun but then when they went to get him he ran to the gun and pointed it at them. They had no choice but to shoot him. Not what us neighbors watching expected to happen :( Pray for the family!!

Pray for our Loganville Police Dept. as well. This is the second bad outcome in the last few weeks. I am sure their hearts are heavy :(

Yes Karen, I'm sure this is absolutely not what anyone hoped for. Can you tell me if there are GBI investigators still at the scene.

my bestfriend rita watched it happen so sad...sorry rita

I am not posting any names or personal information, nor anything that would negatively affect any family. I will continue to pray for all involved. It is sad for everyone. No, I do not think there are any investigators on the scene at this point.

Thanks Karen. Our sympathies go out to all involved. So sorry for the loss to the family. As I said, this is not the outcome anyone ever wants when these situations occur

I understand everyone is "sad", but a person is dead, or two people are dead if we include the other recent shooting. Question: Aren't the police supposed to be trained with firearms and don't they practice shooting? I know the police have a hard job, but based upon what I read around the country, they only shoot to kill and not to wound and capture the suspect. If their marksmanship is that bad, then we need better police or more training. Also, why is there never a use of tranquilizer darts or something to that affect...it always seems to be deadly force.

Roger, I am not going to go into too much detail here but on the first incidient they did use tear gas and other attempts. I can tell you from personal knowledge that the first incident there would be no reasoning with him. Again, I can't go into too much detail but I can tell you that I knew the man personally and there was no option. Our police tried their best and we need to support them in this tough time.

first incident I am referring to the one a few weeks ago

Karen, I understand your point, but my point still is why aren't the police better shots? I know they are "human" and get angry if you don't "obey them". But reasoning with him and killing him are two different things. If you can't reason with the person, then "wing them" and take them into custody. The police way too often just shoot to kill. I think if the police had tried their "best", the man would be alive and in custody. I just have a different view on this.

I live directly behind the house where all of this occurred and was standing on my back porch listening to the cops trying to reason with him. I heard them tell him they did not want anyone to get hurt. Just before the fatal shots were fired, I heard a cop shout out, "Don't do it, don't do it!" The next thing I heard were numerous rapid gunshots then a "Cease fire!" followed by silence. It was obvious what had just happened. I sometimes too wonder why police don't shoot to wound and capture, but I am not qualified to answer that. I know all too well though that you cannot anticipate what a suspect is going to do. What if he "fakes" the extent of his wounding and then shoots an approaching officer? I believe cops have dangerous jobs that they are underpaid for and have the right to shoot to kill in a situation like the one that happened last night. Unfortunately, nobody wins. We all need to pray for ALL of those involved last night. It is too late to judge.

My last comment is if anyone ever points a gun at me I will not be aiming to shoot them in the foot.

Hey Roger the TV Watcher, what kind of work do you do?

Traci, I agree it is too late to judge, but it is NOT too late to plan to do better in the future. The problem as I see it is there is never any planning to do better in the future. As long as the police can shoot and kill someone without any consequences other than paid administrative leave (like a vacation?), then nothing will ever improve. You heard "numerous rapid shots". Would not "one good marksman" have been sufficient? Just not my view of how to improve our world.

John Wayne, I did not insult anyone, so why are you insulting me? If we disagree on the issue, then let's disagree. It's sad you seem to feel the need to improve your position by belittling me.

Roger, you ARE an idiot. Clearly you have never served in law enforcement or the military. Mistakes cost lives. If an idiot wants to die, he knows what to do. These recent morons wanted to die and they got their wish. Move to Mayberry if you want our police to use paint guns.

Very sad for all involved. All we can do is pray for comfort to all involved, the family and our police. These times are truly pushing some people over the edge and we need to pray for our country as well.

GMRI - Hit the nail on the head. Mistqkes cost lives. Would it have been ok with Roger if the man in the driveway had succeeded and 3 people were dead instead of one? I think the otehr posters are right; too many people watch cop shows where it turns out just the way the script is written. Actors make lots of money when you can make people look like superheroe. Real life is not like Hollywood. Geez.

Wow, Gmri and Tammy...expanding things to fit your name calling and your view. I don't think it's ok for anyone to be dead. I'm simply asking why the police can't shoot better and why so often it ends with the suspect dead. Now if you want to discuss that, that's ok. If you want to just call me names, I'm not dropping to your level of discussion.

I.B. Reeding, I totally agree with you. However, from the report of one of the witnesses, he had put his guns down and then the police let him get them again thus resulting in the shootout. Maybe someone could have wounded him during this time instead of waiting for the need for deadly force. I'm not trying to defend the guy as he was obviously a disturbed person, but I'm sure he had family that would rather have seen him get medical treatment and not a coffin. I still think we need to improve our police procedures for the safety of all of us.

where is this subdivision located in loganville?

John Wayne, I don't watch much TV, too much junk on it. I understand totally what you are saying. I'm just asking for the review of procedures to see if something better can be done, that's all. If we never try to improve, we never will, regardless of what it is. My suggestion would be a designated "shooter", a person who's behind a car, safe, with a rifle and a night scope if needed and taking a shot. Not one officer taking "numerous shots" or multiple officers all deciding to shoot. Let me give you a hypothetical, you and your friends have been out drinking in Loganville because alcoholic beverages are all that can save Loganville, you go home, pick up your kids toy gun and go out and dance on the front porch, your neighbor calls the police who arrive, can't tell the difference and decide to use deadly force. Now, this is a crazy hypothetical, but it could happen and has happened in the past (toy guns). I'm only suggesting that some other alternatives might be considered besides deadly force. So, let's all bring our pulse and heartbeats down and remember that this is only a discussion.

Becky our family is sorry for your loss. I never got to meet him but my husband said your Uncle was a real nice guy. I am so sorry :(

Roger, quit repeating the same garbage. You're an idiot. Go away.

Gee GMRI, I can't repeat anything, but you can continue with the name calling and insulting replies. Sorry that you lack the ability to discuss an issue without resulting to name calling. And as far as going away, I didn't realize that Sharon has turned the Patch comments over to you to administer. People disagree GMRI, you and I disagree, let's leave it at that, and try to be civil like adults.

Angee, I am deeply sorry for your loss. However, I wish people would understand that I have never inferred that I wished any law enforcement people were hurt. I am thankful they were not. But, anytime there is a tragedy such as this, I believe it is important that law enforcement reviews their engagement procedures and looks for better outcomes rather than deadly force. In today's age of gadgets and chemicals it would seem that something better could be found. Techniques involved in police car chases have improved so why not those in confrontations with armed people. Again, sorry for your loss and I too hope he is in a better place without the demons.

Roger, I just want people to remember that reading a 4 paragraph article does not mean you knew who he was, nor can you be any judge as to what he has suffered with his whole life. I am not judging the officers or thwir actions, as I was bot there. They have families, too, and they all deserve to go home to those families at the end of their shift. Please know this: Michael Robert Holloway was a father, husband, teacher, and a Marine Veteran, who also fought for his country. He was not simply a monster threatening the police in his driveway, and if you lived by him, or saw him in the morning when you grab coffee, you only knew a very small portion of his life. I have known him since April of 1975, and he was my dad..He will be missed and I hope people can keep comments tasteful and offer their opinion, but also be aware that they knew nothing about this man, and in fact, few have even bothered to print his name in their comments..Michael Robert Holloway..Marine Veteran, teacher, father, husband, and human being.

I truly wish that out of respect for the family and police officers involved in this situation, we all do not need to make petty comments on political beliefs and personal opinions. This comment section should be reserved for those who wish to make condolences; it is not a place for condemnation and immature bickering. You all obviously see that the family of Mr. Holloway is reading the comments and should have more respect for their feelings, regardless of your opinions. Take your political comments to another forum and leave this one to people who actually have a little bit of humanity left in their souls. Ms. Steiner, the Holloway family, and those involved in the altercation: as a neighbor, I am deeply sorry for your loss. Please let any of us in the neighborhood know if you are in need of any help.

Uncle Mike,
I will forever miss your sense of humor, how your stories could always make me laugh, & just the expressions you'd make on your face. My heart hearts for our entire family, especially my dad who misses his brother. I'm so glad I got to spend New Years with you at the Cabin & those stories you told about how you, my dad, & John would get into trouble as kids will keep me laughing when I think about my favorite uncle. I love you uncle Mike & I hope you're healed in Heaven.

V Taylor and CJMG, I thank you. I understand people have an opinion and it is fine to express it. I am so very thankful none if the officers were hurt, or killed, and in no way judge their actions. They had what I am sure was an extremely short time period( a few seconds, maybe?) to make a decision, and the fact that my dad had a history of mental illness and guns? I understand their reluctance to trust that he would not shoot, I truly do. I told myself to stay out of this, and the only reason I am posting is because I want two things to be clear: The officers made a decision based on experience and none of us can say what we would or would not have done, as we were not there, and 2 is that my dad is at rest and he was more than just a fatality in Georgia on Thurs night..he was more than that to me and my brother, and we will miss him. I mourn the loss of what should have been years with his grandchildren but in the end, I am relieved beyond words that this ending did not include injuries or deaths to anyone else.

I have just returned from an afternoon with the Gwinnett Police Department on deadly force. It's unfortunate that everybody doesn't get to go through the same program. I didn't attempt any of the simulation incidents but several others did. I think it left many with a healthier respect for just what it involved in those split second decisions. If you read Patch, the newspapers or watch local TV channels tonight and over the next day or two you will find out that if "regular folks," in this case media, had been in control, several people would have died today, including hostages, children and few police officers, because of hesitation when deadly force was necessary.

To you idiots who are assuming these gunslinges who kill with impunity are good guys. I hope you get your turn to be on the receiving end of the atorcities of these lying thugs. Then maybe your family can read a police report that bears no resemblence whatsoever to that of emergency room doctors or the police's own video, and know that they threatened him and laughed about the injuries they inflicted on your loved one as he is being transported to the hospital. I can't wait for your turn.

So sorry for all involved. There are never any simple answers. Our family was recently involved in a great tragedy ourselves (that made the PATCH) and a few comments were made that made us quite uncomfortable. Public forums have their downfall in sensitive situations where side conversations can take place. In this case, I should have been more sensitive, especially when my own family has been in a VERY similar and tragic situation (many, many tears shed for all parties involved in our situation). I became a part of the side conversation and took the bait, and I'm sorry. I pray that all can heal greatly and that the good memories can bind you together and you can find strength in knowing that he knew fully the love of his family. Again I'm sorry for not being sensitive to you, and letting myself get involved in a conversation that minimized your tragedy when it by no means should have been.

my mother was friends with him and she is shocked that this happened! that he was such a kind person. this is such a loss, but he made the choice to grab the weapon

To the Holloway Family,

My heart goes out to you all. I worked with Michael R. Holloway at Carver Middle School. He was one of the most respectful people you could ever want to know. He was always pleasant and if something was bothering him, you never knew it. He loved our kids at this school. He helped establish our Secret Santa program and spent much of his own money making sure that our neediest children had something for Christmas. He loved his country and the marine corp. When we had our Veteran's Day programs, you knew that he had planned each one of them from his heart. When Mike retired this year, our halls and students were lost without him. Now his memory will live on. I too am sorry for the law enforcement officers who had to make the split second decision. I pray that god will be with everyone that is involved and was involved. As Mike's daughter so plainly and adequately states it, Mike was a husband, father, teacher, marine veteran and a great friend that will be forever missed.