Are You Better off Than You Were Four Years Ago?
The answer to this varies, but we're asking you to think about how the answer applies to you directly.
The 2012 election is the first Tuesday of November and we're into the final campaign stretch. With the Republican National Convention set to start in Tampa today, or when Isaac lets it, and the Democratic National Convention to follow in North Carolina, things are about to get really intense. The big question being asked is, "Are you better off now than you were four years ago?"
The answer to this depends on who you are or who you listen to. Those supporting the Democratic ticket are trying everything to let you know you really are better off than you were when former President George Bush was in office. Conversely, if you listen to anyone hoping to change presidents in November, you're being told just how bad off you are now, almost four years later.
But you really know.
So our question is, ignoring all the chatter on both sides of this issue, do you believe that you are better off now than you were four years ago? Also, is this answer based strictly on economic conditions or does personal happiness come into play as well? And finally, how big an influence does the answer to this question play in how you will vote in November?
PTwiss
9:40 am on Monday, August 27, 2012
No, and neither side cares.
One says the government can save your job but doesn't...
The other side says the government shouldn't interfere with jobs going abroad...
So, neither side either cares or can do any thing about my job going aboard...
So, There is a 1% and they only care about keeping their side in power
Joann555
1:45 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
I don't think many people are better off then they were 4 years ago. There are some that were able to keep their jobs and perhaps this "recession" didn't affect them but there are thousands of people who are unemployed, under employed, under paid and the good jobs of the early 2000's are gone. If you don't believe that our decent paying jobs were sent overseas just call Comcast and you may very well get a foreign speaking customer service representative. Why do they have jobs when the service is rendered here in the US? Who ever is elected President let's pray that they have good common sense and will do something that will actually help this economy.
Vanzetta Evans
2:01 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
I personally am better off than I was 4 years ago. I was laid off like so many other journalists at the end of 2008. Now I'm back in the field, making a living, saving up money to buy a house and retirement and all.
Sharon Swanepoel
2:11 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
I have a split household on this one. Like Vanzetta, at Patch I'm in a job that I love, and am earning an income, so my financial situation is better and my personal happiness is right there along with it. My husband, however, as a small business owner, is in the complete opposite situation. The fact that his business hasn't closed down is a miracle all on its own. The insecurity for small business owners is certainly not understated. He doesn't want to do anything until he knows the outcome of the election so, like most of his small business friends - he is in a holding pattern. His income is about 1/10th of what it was four years ago. The good news is, he now has plenty of time to surf. The bad news - he no longer has the money to go to the beach to do so. I guess that says all I need to about his "personal happiness."
George Wilson
3:10 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Sales have started to pick up with my three companies after an eight year decline doing the Bush administration.I'm excited about the new Affordable Health Care Plan and what it means to my employees.The only negative is the uncertainty created by the Republican congress as they try to derail the President's plans for economic recovery.
Larry Reid
10:13 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
I gotta hand it to you George. I missed this earlier but this has got to be the best one I've seen from you yet. I think you got it all covered here. : )
PaulRevere
1:53 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
George:
I was riding by and smelled something a little "fishy" here.
This whole country would love to know.
1)What exactly did Obama do to suddenly perk up your business?
2) ACAct Excited "what it means to your employees" --Really?
You certainly must have over 50 employees to be part of ACA Right?
And if you do, you already have them insured Right?
Or do you have under 50 employees with no medical insurance and are pleased
that the rest of America will pay your medical coverages.
Just asking?
Angela Markwalter
4:41 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Before Obama came into office, I only knew personally one family who had been forced into bankruptcy. Today I am sad to say that bankruptcy and foreclosure have affected many of my friends and family, resulting in the loss of jobs, homes, businesses, and even beloved pets. No, my family is NOT better off.
Tammy Osier
5:00 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Angela, I picked up a paper today, and was looking for the want ads, but instead, saw 6 pages of foreclosure notices! Unheard of! I wish people would look beyond their partisan rose colored glasses, and look at facts. The housing bubble happened the last two years of the bush administration. Those years democrats had the majority in congress. And we want to continue to put them into office? Obama was amonst those who voted for most of the troubles we have now (of course, it's someone elses fault). Republicans were weak-kneed weasels too. But thanks to the TEA party, hopefully, Republicans learned what can happen when you get lazy. I think it's ironic, too, that small business owners are waiting for the election. Wonder why that is? That should give one pause. Hopefully, the next administration will stop strangling busineses with taxes and regulations so that we can keep our business at home. It's not rocket science, just basic math.
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
10:44 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
saw 6 pages of foreclosure notices!
In Gwinnett the Thursday edition of the Post is thicker than the Sunday paper, its 95 percent foreclosures. Its been that way for a few years here
NO we are NOT better off...
PaulRevere
1:55 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
TAMMY:
You are a very informed person.
Keep it up.
PaulRevere
1:57 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
Think of this!
I wonder how many foreclosures are from the Heavy Real Estate taxes forced on all homeowners. Paying for public schools that many of us don't even use anymore.
Many of us who do not have children. Why are we paying for Public schools all of our lives? Look at the foreclosures!
WG
6:47 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
No im not better off. I still work every day keeping homes nice and cool but im forced to do it for less. All the while the cost of everything we live on continues to inflate. Most of the people that run this country dont have a clue what milk and bread even cost so how can they make things better? As for the health care that our president pushed through, it wont benefit you a bit when you dont have a job, and i will almost bet when my job dwindles to an end most of you that think you got lucky and have gotten a decent job will be suffering too. We as citizens need to stand up and force our government to make changes on how they make policies, if it is going to effect me it needs to effect them to. Term limits need to be put in place and salary cuts are needed. It doesnt take a mathematical genius to understand you cant spend your way out of debt. Im tired of people defending Democrats and Republicans,both parties are destroying our country. So my answer is no.
Athens Mama
7:56 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Conservatives posting on this article need to take off the blinders - how can you ignore the billions spent on two wars that sent this country reeling into its current debt ridden state. You people are truly ridiculously laughable - how quickly you forget the events of 8 years of the Bush administration, which included the No Child Left Behind Act which strangles public education with it's high stakes testing platform for evaluation. The truth is - the housing bubble bursting is the fault of many - it's a bipartisan issue. Liberals wanted everyone to be able to own their own houses - believing that the poor will take care of their homes and mortgages as well as the middle class and rich. The lenders and mortgage brokers (who probably aren't all that liberal) wanted to put cash into their pockets, regardless of the ability of the poorer borrowers with poorer credit to pay back the loans - especially once the ARM rates kicked in. Plenty of conservative investors, homesellers, and contractors made plenty of money off the frenzy of real estate sales. It took all of us to get here sweethearts. Obama just inherited the worst situation since FDR.
Larry Reid
8:19 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
"Obama just inherited the worst situation since FDR"
God Forbid Obama get reelected but if he does, will you and he blame Bush for the next four years too?
PaulRevere
2:08 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
Athens:
It's time for you tostop blaming the past.
Focus on what Obama does, not what he says.
When your pipes bust and water is gushing out, you certainly would not continue with the plumber who BLAMES the person who installed the plumbing.
I inherited a big Plumbing Mess! But you would never accept that excuse.
Obama also inherited the greatest Military!. No excuses there. Many believe the Military got OsamaBin. Who cares Right.
He is inept and has no clue how to fix his problems.
He has Zero experience on Financial problems facing this country.
Romney is condemned but, gave America a great 2002 Olympic showing.
See his Fix of that mess. That alone should qualify him to be given achance to fix this financial mess.
Finally, many people created their own Home crisis. Many took out extra loans over the house purchase to buy things on credit. That was big reasons for forclosures.
That is exactly what Obama has done. He has given many free things with Borrowed money. He is bankrupting all of our futures.
Tammy Osier
8:10 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
I agree with you AM on the no child left behind, but you said it yourself- it was a bipartisan issue that caused what he inherited. He was every bit a part of that decision making. However, Reagan inherited double digit inflation (which we were not in when bho cam into office- although we are close now), and pulled us out within two years and we had many prosperous years afterwards, even through clinton's reign. And it didn't happen by spending spending spending. Obama has to take credit for that. He chose the wrong way to deal with the problem. That's why we're in so deep now. He doesn't have a war to blame it on either - only himself listening to the worst congress we've ever had. I think it's laughable that libs talk about the money that Republicans have and look at the big bucks that those in power now have. nancy pelosi and her arrogant attitude and big jet planes.
I hate it that we allowed liberals to railroad a good man that we were running for office. Herman Cain makes so much sense, and would fix the tax code and give money back to the little people who earned it. made too much sense. Gov't would have to let go of all the money that lines their pockets. That's why they wanted him out.
I agree with WG about term limits and salary cuts beginning in congress. Years ago one of our founding fathers made the comment that once government realizes it can vote itself money it would be the end of the republic.
Theresa Waldrop
5:56 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Tammy, you wrote that "Reagan inherited double digit inflation (which we were not in when bho cam into office- although we are close now)..."
The latest inflation rate we have for the U.S. (July 2012) is 1.4 percent, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/cpi.nr0.htm
Chris
6:21 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Somebody else who trusts the government and their websites.
Here Theresa http://www.barackobama.com
Everything you want to believe. -Forward-
Theresa Waldrop
7:04 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Chris, as a financial and business reporter, I surveyed Wall Street analysts and economists before government reports were released, so that investors would know whether the reported numbers were above or below expectations. If readers don't believe the government report (which is a very scary thought to me), here's Bloomberg's survey of economists for the July numbers: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-12/retail-sales-probably-increased-in-july-u-s-economy-preview.html
Tammy Osier
8:16 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
WG- Also, concerning the healthcare. It's funny that congress and company exempt themselves from the healthcare they require the little people to buy, yet if regular people want to buy their own they'll be penalized. Penalties and threats. Sounds like a great thing, huh? Liberals will have some convenient excuse for it of course. Talk about being blinded. Libs talk a big game about caring for people (wouldn't get votes without it), but their actions show something completely different. Sounds more like Marie Antoinette days. Let them eat cake!
Athens Mama
8:35 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
I wouldn't trust Herman Cain alone in a room with my teenage daughter if you paid me a million dollars. Not exactly the man I want to run the country.
Athens Mama
9:08 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Bill Clinton's situation was mutually consensual - even though scandalous. Herman Cain is an alleged predator.
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
10:52 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
With the exception that Bill took money from Eastern block Europeans for his Legal Defense fund, all the while claiming innocence - until the the dif of is, is speech.
John B
1:18 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
You're right AM....Clinton didn't prey on a young impressionable girl by leveraging who he was....it was a consensual relationship.....are yolu as stupid as you sound?....that's rhetorical of course..........
christine b
8:07 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
what about Paula Jones? Juanita Broderick? bc is an alleged rapist
Tammy Osier
9:27 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Well, notice how quickly those people went back into the woodwork when he decided not to run. They were only accusations. No one could prove anything because there wasn't anything. Do you know him? I do. He decided not to put his family through the insanity. Especially with the race card thrown around the way it is (unfairly and for political purposes only). He even received threats that might have affected his grandchildren (which are his life). His family would have been persecuted unmercilessly. Sounds like a smart man to me. Have you ever looked at his economic plan? Probably not.
Bill Clinton was mutually consensual????? You mean the women who accused him of rape? Rape? Let me say it again...rape? I'm thinking oral sex at work is adultery (is that ok with you too?). Laughable is that he's going to speak on womens issues at the democratic convention. lolol
It's almost embarrassing how liberals forget how their own behave, but sure can accuse others.
Larry Reid
9:40 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
She probably just heard about it on CNN. When you drive a $25,000 car and hang out at the Athens Country Club wearing Italian threads, you most likely don't worry about proof when it comes to a black conservative.
Tammy Osier
9:38 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
I notice that you went into accusatory mode without answering the actual question I asked concerning congress exempting themselves and their union buddies from the healthcare.They will get their own so that they can choose their doctors, YET, the average Joe cannot have that choice. And you guys call Republicans cronies?
I won't hold my breath. I'll never get an answer because it would show that liberal policies are flawed and self serving. Politicians are not demi-gods. Look at them objectively rather than people who do no wrong. They do, and ought to be held accountable, but aren't because of the gullibility of their electorate.
Larry Reid
9:47 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
You scared her away Tammy.
Athens Mama
9:51 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Tammy, where, oh where is it written in Obamacare that the average Joe is not going to be able to choose his own doctor? You are dead-on, politicians are not demi-gods, but lately it's been policies to benefit the underserved, or policies to benefit big corporations. I think I'll take the underserved, considering the unemployment rate and income inequality in this country.
I had not heard the story of accusation against Bill Clinton for rape. I did find a youtube video where Fox News interviewed a woman names Juanita Broaddrick...apparently, in 1997 she signed a sworn affadavit saying that Clinton had never raped her....
Larry Reid
10:00 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Athens Mama, what makes you so sure that Herman Cain is a predator? Did you learn about that on YouTube too? I suggest you do your homework using credible sources. You sure seem sure about Bill Clinton. Sad!
Athens Mama
10:06 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
I'm not sure about anyone I don't know personally and in depth, just saying that the woman who accused him of rape signed an affadavit saying it never happened. ?? There are also details in her personal life that do seem to cast her as unstable or unreliable, but with the news media in charge of the information, it's difficult to tell what the truth is these days. It sounds like Cain's people paid the accusers off to make them go away - but maybe Clinton did too - hard to tell from our vantage points.
Athens Mama
10:08 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Mr. Reid, you utilize honest information given by me in an attempt to validate my position in a prior post. Truth be told, Mr. Reid, what I drive or wear, or whose table I might grace has little to do with this conversation. You're like a monkey slinging poop...but how does it even pertain to this conversation?
WG
10:18 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
The answer is still no. I know more people just like me that have lost everything. Free healthcare doesnt exist and it wont last along with SS medicare and medicade. Its a joke. Whos gonna pay for it? You wont even see the true effects of obama care for years.
Athens Mama
10:25 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
What effects - you mean like much fewer people showing up at the hospital emergency rooms and costing the paying insured in higher premiums? Or less people going untreated for months and even years because they don't have health ins. which would cover simple physical. How about the unwanted babies who won't be born over the next 4 years because more women had access to birth control to prevent unwanted pregnancies? Oh, it's those annoying reasons why it was inevitable that there be an overhaul to our country's healthcare system. If you ask most liberals, we didn't really get what we wanted either. We got a watered down version of what this country really needed - because we don't have access to the same healthcare that our congresspeople do - a public option for healthcare...
Larry Reid
10:38 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Sounds like you believe in this Deplorable Healthcare Act joke. Do you believe everything Obama says? Hope and Change!
We're hoping for change come November. Hopefully we can Change Obama's address. Send his ass back to Chicago where he belongs.
Tammy Osier
10:30 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
AM - if a person doesn't buy (hey- I thought this was free!) government healthcare, they get fines and penalties. So, you get penalized and pay high taxes or do what the gov't says.
The case was dismissed since great damage had not been done and Clinton settled out of court with her. She still appealed. There were several other women as well (gennifer Flowers is one). Don't you remember the blue dress with, uh, evidence on it? That was on all the channels- even cnn!
Athens Mama
10:38 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Oh my goodness, have you even researched what those fines are? If you really are poor, it's like you'll get $95 less in your tax refund - boo hoo. If you make lots of money, you could be fined up to $700, and you should have gotten your butt the healthcare ins. to begin with, when you knew the mandate was taking effect. They are going to PREPAY people in their tax refunds this year so that they'll have the money in the bank to help cover their premiums. In the words of my teenager.....Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh....Oh, and Gennifer Flowers and Monica "Whoops, I got it on my dress" Lewinsky were allegations of consensual sex. There's a real difference between a man who cheats on his wife with a willing woman and a man who believes that his office affords him sexual rights to women who don't want him speaking to them sexually or touching them....not saying either one is right, but there is DEFINITELY a BIG difference...
Larry Reid
10:48 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
You're right about one thing. There is a big difference. Bill Clinton was our Commander In Cheif at the time and he lied about it under oath. What a scumbag. Sounds like you worship him too. You Libocraps stick together don't you?
Athens Mama
10:39 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Tammy, are you out of your mind? The public option would have made it nearly free, but that portion of the bill had to be dropped in order for it to pass. Liberals wanted a public option, conservatives did not. They had to find some sort of strange compromise to solve the healthcare crisis in America...
Steve R.
10:54 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Democrats have never solved anything in America.
Athens Mama
10:31 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Only the hungry deaths of children after the Great Depression....and more....not like those stellar war hungry Republicans. They solve everything with guns and bombs, especially weapons of mass destruction that............................don't exist.....
Tammy Osier
10:40 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
It sounds like Cain's people paid the accusers off to make them go away
You made that up. If he paid them to go away, seems he'd still be in the race? That's a big diss on the man's character (with no proof to boot). but there is proof that Clinton paid out of court.
But back to the health insurance. You're right, we do pay in higher premiums now. But he problem with universal healthcare is that people will be on waiting lists. Who could die or get worse while that is going on. You're right. No easy answers. Some have suggested a state by state competition for healthcare which would make premiums go down to affordable rates, but no one wants to look at that. Why won't anybody look at something new if what we've been doing is so broken?
I don't know why we hold on to this crazy tax code we have now. We haven't always had it. Have you seriously never looked at the 999 plan? Poor people get rebates to help them. Everybody benefits. It basically puts the money and decisions in the hands of the people instead of beurocrats. Try checking it out and give an honest assessment. I think you'd be really surprised.
Athens Mama
10:46 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
I honestly have never heard of the 999 plan. I did not make that up about Herman Cain....from multiple sources, but here's one...http://newsone.com/1617145/cain-accuser-was-paid-35k-in-severance-pay/
Athens Mama
10:48 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
From a more well know publication....http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/16/herman-cain-accuser-sexual-harassment-allegations_n_1096787.html
Athens Mama
10:52 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Ok, now I remember the 9-9-9 plan - I just looked at it again. You're going to charge people being paid minimum wage the same rate as those making millions every year, and you're going to cut the earned income credit? I can see why conservatives would want to stop giving out the earned income credit - but truthfully - you would cause more problems in our economy if you did that, because it's well known that middle to upper class people invest and save their money, while poor people are desperate for goods and services, so as soon as they get the money in their hands, it goes right back out to America....
Tammy Osier
10:57 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
What I think is really scary is that when I was a kid, we understood communism and was afriad of it. Now a generation or two away, and the boiling water in the pot is proof that a generation thinks it's normal for government to MAKE you do something and you see nothing wrong with it. We have let our liberties slide right into the boiling pot. that's how we keep electing and electing until we are headed down a socialist path. These people actually believe it's normal. Middle class will be paying and it will keep going until everyone is equally poor. Watch. History proves it out every single time. A chicken in every pot! American is about equal OPPORTUNITY not equal OUTCOMES. There's no such thing. Proof. Give 100,000 to two differnet people (a farmer and a crackhead). The farmer will go and buy some seeds and grow a business while the crackhead will buy crack and be poor again. Money didn't make them equal. (or the farmer will blow it and the crackhead will check into rehab- who knows?). We are individuals. You can't make everyone equal in sense or income, but can provide the opportunities and help to show them how if they want to succeed.
Racer X
8:32 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Tammy- As you know, I agree with pretty much everything you say and really enjoy your posts.
What I wonder is why, in this country of equality, is any man/woman responsible for paying any more in taxes than the other? Because they HAVE more? Robbing from the rich to give to the poor may have been en-vogue back in Robin Hood's day but I think Robin Hood was more geared toward stealing from Royalty rather than the man/woman who worked his/her butt off and made smart choices.
What right does someone who paid $3,000. into the public coffers last year have to insist that anyone pay more than he? Especially when the man who did better is already paying WAY more than the "poor" man when taxed at the exact same percentage rate (never mind, for now, the fact that people who do well pay a higher percentage rate)? At what point, morally, are we literally robbing the rich? Lastly, why should they stand for it without pulling out a gun and blowing our heads off? My wife and I are far from well-off but if somebody tried that with us, simply because they had less or any other reason, they would have a bunch of holes in them.
That said, if someone had a need, and asked politely, I would give them the shirt off my back.
I believe that people with money have "buried it in their back yard" because they know a robber is loose.
Get rid of the robber, these folks dig up their money, start spending it again and the economy improves, plain and simple.
Tammy Osier
11:03 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
You obviously didn't read it all. Did you read about the rebates? Those are for poor people. Remember when Bush did his stimulus? People actually got a check in the mail. It's similar to that. No one's seen a check in the mail with all the stimulus money obama has spent. In fact we see less in our paychecks and keep hearing how companies he bailed out are in bankruptcy again and the shovel ready jobs didn't pan out. Oh, and he invested in Sloyndra and lost it. So, where's my rebate for all the money I've shelled out to the government?
Athens Mama
11:10 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
I agree with you about fruitfulness and productivity. I actually do. Still, people are so confused about political definitions. Communism, as it has been called, is not really communism but a dictatorship. True communism can only exist in the microcosm, not on a large scale, because inevitably, there are elitists in power living much better than the rest. To hard to regulate. I agree about the solar power business. That is wretched. One of my good friends lives in Finland, and she lives extremely well. Everyone there has healthcare and gets a free check for parenting - it's not an ugly thing. People are happy and well taken care of. Teachers make great money. We just like wars and controlling the globe too much in America. History repeats itself - look at the fall of ancient Rome. Are you really going to blame a semi-socialist healthcare system for the downfall of this country? Canadians don't seem to be drowning in all the miserable squalor you describe. If anything ruins this country, it will be the fat corporate ticks that exploit the American people, pay 0 in taxes, and move their factories and money overseas. It will also be this country's history of racist slavery and it's lethargic response the crisis in public education.
dacula_dude
8:21 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
@Athens Mama
There's a place in America where you can have your room and board paid for, free food, healthcare, a job and daily exercise. It's called prison.
There is a price to be paid to live that kind of life that you describe in Finland and other European socialist countries, and it's FREEDOM. Try to exercise your rights as a parent in Sweden and homeschool your child - you will get arrested and your child will be taken from you. That's just one example.
George Wilson
4:22 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
@Athens Mama
Finland also has the best public education system in the world.Mainly because they value their teachers and pay them really well.Their students score the highest on all standard tests.They are a free people and kicked the Soviet Unions ass when they were invaded.
PaulRevere
2:16 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
Athens
Why bring up other countries.
America does not need any change. We need more "responsibility"
We need young graduates who do not expect to have a job handed on a silver platter.
No President could promise any Job.
That is not the President's job.
Education should also be a choice. But that is another Topic.
Dave Emanuel
11:24 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Athens Mama's statement that the public option would have made it almost free tells you all need to know. She doesn't realize that nothing is free- especially of it is provided by the federal government. The taxpayers foot the bill.
Tammy Osier
11:56 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Agreed Dave. Almost, means it's evolving. Eventually, what will it be? that's what's scary about it. And Am made a point about elitists and those below them. More golfing and expensive parties while people still look for jobs?
Bush took his resting time on his ranch which didn't cost the taxpayer anything. There were also countless times he and Laura visited sick and injured soldiers and there were no cameras and photo ops. He was a humble man and I miss him.
Walter Straub
12:09 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
No was making over $100,000 a year under Bush now $0, Now that's real CHANGE!
Racer X
8:07 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
No, I am not better off.
AM- I agree with you that we should withdraw our troops from the Middle East. Those people are fighting a Religious war while we are not. People will always sacrifice more for their God than their Country. We are in a battle that cannot be won. They haven't changed for 4,000 years, I believe we are wrong if we think we can change them. I really wonder who it is we think we are, God himself? What about all of the poor people who will be killed if we leave? We cannot solve the world's problems until we solve our own.
I say bring our troops home, line them up on OUR borders and then re-evaluate this gigantic insatiable organism we call our Federal Government.
*Warning- Listening to Mike Horsman's opinion can cause warts, loss of hair, indigestion and, in more than one case, pregnancy. Do not listen to Mike Horsman's opinion while operating a motor vehicle or heavy equipment.
dacula_dude
8:26 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
In the last 4 years more has been added to the national debt than in all the years of our country's history. It is approaching $16 TRILLION dollars. But hey, lets just tax and spend our way out of this mess, right? If the rich would pay their fair share, then we could get out of debt, right?
The only way out of this is to unleash the free-market capitalist economy that has made this country great. Obama called his time working in the private sector as "working behind enemy lines", so its not going to happen under him.
Georgia Democrat
10:49 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Ryan never met a spending bill he didn't like under the Bush admin. President Obama isn't spending - he's paying Republican invoices! The debt has accumulated over 30 years - which includes Bush I & II & VP "deficits don't matter" Cheney and RR, godfather of trickle-down voodoo economics, not 3-1/2 years of one admin. which has spent much of the time sweeping and mopping up the mess. What was the state of the American economy after Clinton left office? Now you want a new R-R with their 17 advisors from the last administration?
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
1:12 am on Friday, August 31, 2012
Funny I didn't see 8 years of Clinton in there ....
You need more FOX in your diet for a higher level of fair and balanced (Smiles)
Georgia Democrat
7:10 am on Friday, August 31, 2012
Really, R? What about this: "What was the state of the American economy after Clinton left office? " (Sorry, guess I didn't spell it out for you, too subtle.) Out of 30, only 8 good - the Clinton years. Remember? The economy was healthy and growing, low unemployment, left office with a SURPLUS in the nation's bank account, NO WARS, good, etc., good, etc., good . . . etc. (Smirks)
Georgia Democrat
7:15 am on Friday, August 31, 2012
Quick, now: What 2 American presidents left office and continued their public service doing good works, being impressive ambassadors for the USA, and not spending their retirement years just building their personal libraries and collecting lucrative speaker fees?
Georgia Democrat
11:30 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
@Athens Mama: you can't discuss anything with people who cherry pick from Fox broadcast airwaves. They don't like facts. They only believe what they want to believe. They run on anger and emotion. Many of their perceptions come from reading bumper stickers when they're not in front of a TV or computer. Facts be damned. Anyone who misses George Bush is woefully beyond educating on anything, least of all the state of the American economy or social issues. That's naivety at its most dangerous. Herman Cain, wannabe Rhymer in Chief, was never a serious candidate. He, along with Newtser, was on a personal advertising and elevating campaign to garner a cush broadcasting job or sell more books. Now they hope to get a job in D.C. by standing with the man they attempted to tear apart during the primary season. I wonder, what will become of Fox & Friends (boobs & blondes - Hannity being the biggest boob), Beck (delusional narcissist), Rush (despicable opportunist), Coulter (ugh!), Malkin (also ugh!) and their ilk if Mitt wins in November. Who will they blast away at? What will their political slant be? Will they flip sides? Manufacturer some new conspiracy theories?
John B
5:03 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
hmmm....GD not liking boobs and blondes at FOX. I guess you're intimidated by good looking women with brains.....must be you look like Brian Crawford with hair.....I can see your dilemma.
Harriet
5:13 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
RULES! Woman's anatomy shouldn't be tossed around this message board like beach ball. I am offended. : (
Georgia Democrat
7:03 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Oh, good grief!
Athens Mama
10:28 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
@John B: You inadvertently make your political cronies look like a bunch of meatheads when you reference the anatomy and hair coloring of the women on your news station. Do what's best for your group, and read, don't post. You embarrass yourself and others who may be lumped into a category with you...
John B
12:06 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
@ AM...if you read a bit north of my post...it is one of your political cronies referencing boobs and blondes....honestly...if anyone should refrain from posting it's you....yoiu're nothing more than an oxygen thief....
Georgia Democrat
6:13 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
@Athens Mama: John B's right. I did reference the b & b (I shall not spell out this time in deference to tender eyes and sensitivities ;) But he thought I was talking about the women - see, I said "Hannity being the biggest b- - -" Fox Channel . . . favorite "news" source of the pale, male and stale. Being one of those, most likely, he couldn't be expected to pick up on that :D Nuance is lost on that segment of the population. They like their commentary blaring, loud and angry. You know, there's one guy who posts here who includes in his insults comments about estrogen and monthly cycles, but no one ever called him out. No poutrage about that even from the womenfolk.
Laura Cope
7:14 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
@George
Aren't you a little old for these little boy, grade school, name calling antics? I have seen you post some really childish attempts of character assassination. Haven't you anything better to do?
Racer X
7:46 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Hi Laura,
George says he gets paid $250./hr to do this. It must be some government program.
-M
Racer X
8:12 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Hmmmmm....... "tossing around women's anatomy like a beach volley ball." There is a darn funny joke in there somewhere but it escapes me.
Harriet, God help me, but I like you. Just for the record, we men appreciate women's anatomies much more than our own because we are jealous. Women are curvy, soft and wonderful, like a work of art, each in her own way. Men are much more utilitarian, like a Jeep. Frankly, I am amazed y'all want anything to do with us at all.
Once I realized my wife is smarter than me, my life got a LOT easier. Please excuse men if we appreciate the rest of you as well. It's just how we are wired and we mean no offense.
*Disclaimer- If you are obese and butt ugly, please disregard the above comment and accept my sincere apologies.
Georgia Democrat
10:26 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
. . . says the man whose comments reference hormones and monthly cycles . . . Seems to be acceptable to talk about biology if you're a dude. Wonder why that is? Oh . . . because Rs think women should go back to the '50s?
Georgia Democrat
11:38 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Yes, I am better off than 4 years ago. Financially and emotionally. The fear of what would happen was almost as bad as what did happen when the bubble burst. Those who feel they are not better off can take heart in the knowledge that these 4 years of improvement, yet slow growth, will be conditioning them for what is really going to happen if Rs take over the WH. It will be a Corporate WH. Bye, bye Middle Class America. What was the DJIA 4 yrs ago? Today it's at 13k.
PaulRevere
2:28 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
Georgia:
Do you know the difference in Billion vs Trillion?
2008 this USA owed $10Trillion debt.
2012 this USA owed $16Trillion debt.
Obama has Borrowed everything he claims to do for the people.
$6T to support his so-called I care Forward program.
He has Zero money and zero policies.
All $6trillion has been wasted on :
1) Paying $4000 for clunker car program
2) Paying College tuitions
3) Paying for 2 years of extended unemployment
4) Paying $8,000 for everyone that bought a home.
5) Putting millions of single un-wed adults on welfare as they offer their bodies as "Playgrounds"
6) Allowing billions in college loan writeoffs.
7) Borrowing $60b to keep GM/Chrysler afloat for about 6 years. (they will be gone and We all lose the $60bill
This guy spends BORROWED money.
You and all of us will have to pay the $70,000 each he has borrowed.
Obama will bankrupt this country and take 100% of every 1%'er wealth to boot.
That means no employers to give a non-teacher job.
Amy Joyner
11:54 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
This counrty is now $6 TRILLION dollars in debt within the past 4 years of Obama in office, ON TOP of the debt our country was already in! NO ONE is better off!!!!!
Larry Reid
12:10 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
The Obama Family Is!
Dave Emanuel
12:39 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
I've posted this elsewhere, so it may be "old news". Based on figures taken from the IRS web site, if everyone with a taxable income of $200,000 or more were taxed at 100%, it would take 8 years to payoff our existing national debt. At current spending levels, (approximately $3.5 trillion per year) new debt accumulated while the old debt was being paid off would be roughly $28 trillion. Of course, the fallacy of the national debt payoff scenario is that after one year of being taxed at 100%, anyone with a taxable income in excess of %200,000 or more would be bankrupt or living in another country. As such NO ONE is truly better off now than they were four years ago.
dacula_dude
1:24 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Amy, you left off the 1, the national debt is approaching $16 TRILLION. Say that over and over a few times. And some think the way to fix the economy is to tax and spend more. Wow.
S. DeBeers
12:04 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
obviously a lot of people that have posted here are better off, because they have time to post all these long comments instead of working. Brava, AthensMama, all these ridiculous wars are killing us and our precious sons and daughters . The rich get richer and the middle class is being strangled.
so much money could be saved if disability eligibility was examined every 4 years. So many people are on permanent disability for injuries when they could really be working instead of sucking of the teat of government for the rest of their lived.
Larry Reid
12:44 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Twisted assessment S. DeBeers. You say "obviously a lot of people that have posted here are better off, because they have time to post all these long comments instead of working" Most who have lost jobs through no fault of their own, may disagree that posting comments is better than working and earning a living.
dacula_dude
1:26 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Typical class warfare drivel.
Athens Mama
10:25 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
DeBeers, your assumptions, both obtuse and paradoxical, are inaccurate from my end. I am not, nor have ever been on disability. I have worked for every week of my life since I was 14 years old, sometimes 2 or 3 jobs if necessary to pay bills and provide for my offspring, save for about 24 months of my life. You seem to have such deep empathy for our troops, empathy I share, honestly, but yet you have problems with people receiving disability?? Heck, half the troops who come home aren't given the physical or mental health care that their service and physical and emotional injuries should have afforded them. You just don't like to hear it, so you throw some imaginary dagger....
Racer X
8:28 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Me thinkst Debeers just stepped on his own twig and berries but he/she does have a good point in there.
I too think we should pull out of the Mid-east, completely and bring our men and women home. We should learn how to manage with our own resources instead of sucking the rest of the world dry.
I believe most of our problems abroad are due to our own meddling.
If we brought home our troops, at least they would be better off than they were four years ago.
N.D. Parker
1:07 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Yes, I'm better off all round. No, it will not influence the way I vote: Current politics are abominable, with each party trying to cater to the pettiness of the electorate and their pocketbooks and no one seeming to be willing to cooperate for the betterment of the country as a whole.
Georgia Democrat
2:13 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
The uncertainty for the American economy and businesses can be directly attributed to the Do Nothing Good Congress, as verified by it's abysmal approval rating. R-Congressional leaders threw their temper tantrum on the night of the Inauguration, then holed up in secret to plot and plan how they would do everything to make him a one-termer. Nevermind that they were sent to D.C. to work for their constituents, to conduct the business of this country. For them it is now and has been, since the neocons took over under Bush/Cheney with Norquist, Karl Rove, the Koch Bros., et al, and now Sheldon Addelson, their only goal to gain full power and control over all of America, its people, its resources, its psyche. To make that even more despicable, they use fear and religion to prey upon and spread their propaganda amongst the uninformed and uninformable, weak, narrow-minded, uneducated, intolerant, greedy (and any combination of the foregoing). Saying you're patriotic and/or Christian does not prove that you are. The POTUS is their fallguy, any POTUS, but more especially this one. He is different because he is not from a 2-parent lower 48-state vanilla family; he is an educated, intelligent, articulate half-black man; he has a scary middle name. The House is in charge of the budget and the nation's checkbook. No president is all powerful. You all can cry in your beer or your milk all you want about him, because that's the popular thing to do, but Congress is the villain.
dacula_dude
3:05 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
You forgot to say that Bush was the mastermind behind 9/11. I just wanted to help you make your left-wing nutcase rant complete. You're welcome.
Larry Reid
3:31 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
GEORGE! Two Years Remember? See folks, George always manages to leave out the Two Complete Years while Obama had the house and senate. He got his $timulus and his Deplorable Healthcare Joke and everything else that he wanted then.
Now he doesn't need congress. He just works around them like he did with the killing in Libya and now by deferring Illegal Immigrants. George says the same thing over and over like it's going to somehow become believable.
Obama called George W unpatriotic for spending four trillion in eight years while Obama has spent Five Trillion, Three Hundred Billion in three and one half years.
But George says he and ALL of his employees are better off so who can argue?
Georgia Democrat
3:51 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Here's a foretelling of a Corporate Mitt WH:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/28/century-mine-romney-ohio-mandatory_n_1836674.html
I am not going to get into a pissing contest with any of you who usually pounce on my comments. I know my moniker is a magnet for you. You can't seem to resist making your insults and your snarky, name-calling replies. If you don't like what I write, don't read it. I have learned to do that with many of yours. My guess is that some of you are middle schoolers. I don't argue with children.
Larry Reid
4:19 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
It is always wonderful to see the older folks enjoying themselves and being healthy. I hope that I too can surf whe.... Oh! I'm in the wrong.
Oh, this is the "Are You Better off Than You Were... my mistake. This has nothing to do with this...
George Wilson
4:16 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
@LarryReid
"George always manages to leave out the two complete years while Obama had the house and senate"
One more time .The president never had the senate because today you need 60 votes to break the filibuster rule which he never had.Its a undemocratic rule that makes a sham of our republic form of governmentBbecause of that we didn't get the public option in the Affordable Health Care Plan"or Romney care.
Larry Reid
4:24 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
@Everyone
Once again George will have you believe that Obama didn't get exactly what he wanted. 787 BILLION Dollars. Where Are The Jobs George? There were no Republicans doing "nothing". If nothing was done in those TWO years it was your boy's fault. Your boy promised "Shovel Ready Jobs". That implies immediate not when the Republicans take majority of the house a year and a half later.
George! You Are Wrong!
Jimmy
5:40 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
GW- you seem to forget that a democrat controlled Senate passed that 60 senator rule in 1975...
GD- linking to huffpo sites means no credibility for you. None.
Georgia Democrat
7:01 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Will this do it for ya, Jimmy?
http://www.citybeat.com/cincinnati/blog-3875-romney_mandel_event_mandatory_for_miners.html
http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2012/08/coal_miners_lost_pay_when_mitt.html
http://rt.com/usa/news/attend-romney-employees-event-781/
http://www.wksu.org/news/story/32898
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycODMs4HK2c
http://talk.baltimoresun.com/showthread.php?p=8110967#post8110967
Jimmy
8:00 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Pretty desperate, are ya? Where is/was your concern for the 10's of thousands of employees who lost their jobs (instead of a days pay) when Obama closed over a thousand GM dealerships?
Georgia Democrat
6:07 am on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
http://money.cnn.com/2009/05/15/news/companies/gm_dealers/index.htm
Georgia Democrat
6:10 am on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Hey, Jim. Thought you guys were all for automaker bankruptcy filing and restructuring.
Tammy Osier
9:13 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
JImmy, none are so blind as those who refuse to see. Time to stop blaming Bush and republicans when they were nowhere near this stuff. Hitler would have had a field day with todays left wing liberals. They'll believe anything that is slanted to their liking even when it's proven right in front of them that they are wrong. To answer your question, they are only concerned when a republican can be blamed.
Georgia Democrat
9:26 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
The desperation lies with those who trust not the truth. Not so much blaming as reminding, reminding, reminding . . . those with weak, short memories must be constantly reminded. The weak-minded can't hold onto what isn't fed to them.
Chris
9:39 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
That was beautiful GD. Speaking from personal experience are ya?
John B
9:46 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
GD...do you work?....if so is your boss so lame that you get to blame your predecessor for everything that goes wrong...not the world I live in but most of your posts resemble fantasy anyway.....
Sean Gilley
9:31 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
I skipped a bunch of the comments--can't read them all. Why is Congress even deciding what their pay and benefits are??? Those of us in the private sector would be laughed out of the room if we tried to tell our bosses what our raise should be.
I'd like to see folks vote against incumbents, and keep doing it until we get the right group of lawmakers who will change that corrupt stuff in Washington. Second, we should go on an income tax strike until Congress temporarily fixes the tax code. Then give them a couple of years to make more permanent changes.
I no longer believe Congress is looking out for "the people". Our food supply has been reduced to "food-like products" that were created in a chemistry lab. Personal care items (deodorant, shampoo, detergents, etc.) contain toxic ingredients, the pharmaceutical companies bribe doctors and suppress negative clinical trial info, and the FDA wants to approve medical apps for Smartphones!?!?!?
Racer X
9:31 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Ahhh....very nice. Obama's Mantra regarding his followers. Positively mesmerizing isn't it?
Georgia Democrat
6:39 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Continuing a conversation from earlier about the b - - b tube (the b word does have more than one meaning), or idiot box for those prone to cringe at any perceived or real reference to anatomy, are y'all ready for the propaganda machines to really get cranked up? If (God forbid) your guy wins the WH, brace yourselves. FOX, well-known as the propaganda arm of the Republican Party (Rupert Murdoch) owns 27 television stations in the USA and many more worldwide. Bain Capital (the company Romney founded and retroactively retired from when both his hands were caught in the cookie jar) owns Clear Channel which owns 866 radio stations and Premiere Radio Networks, a national radio network that serves nearly 5,800 radio station affiliates and has over 213 million weekly listeners. Programs include the Rush Limbaugh Show, Glenn Beck and the Sean Hannity Show. Fair and balanced? - yeah, in your fantasy world. If not state-owned, certainly state-very well-connected. I'm not offering any links b/c it's damned if you do and damned if you don't - that one?, only one?, desperately posting all those? :D Y'all know about the google and the bing, so do your own referencing.
dacula_dude
7:41 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
a) Have you ever watched ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN? We need 4 Fox Networks to balance them out
b) Do you understand the difference between a journalistic (objective) newscast and an opinion show with a host (subjective)? I'm thinking you don't.
Larry Reid
8:05 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Exactly, I'm not interested in the thrill running up Chris Matthews leg while Obama is blowing smoke up his... uh.. tailpipe.
Georgia Democrat
9:51 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Yes, indeed, dude. That would be the MSM. When I watch the news, that's my choice. Certainly not Fox, which bills itself as a "News" channel, fair and balanced - they balance one really loud mouth famous conservative with several lesser-known cons, and the fair part is thrown in because it sounds so good. Any "liberal" guests or commentators get the mean-girl treatment. You already have many such outlets, but I guess you want even bigger ones. I do know and understand the difference between journalism and opinion. But my guess is too many on your side do not. They take what the opinion rant and rave guys say as fact. I betcha at least some clever R leadership watch MSM, but they want YOU to watch Fox.
Karsten Torch
8:28 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Wow, I'm not even sure what to do with this post. It's gone so far off the rails, it's reall painful. From "If you don't like what I post don't read it" (How do we know it's your usual drivel until we read it? This is without a doubt one of the dumbest things I have ever seen in print) to stating that those on the right here are reading right out of the Fox playbook, when all I see from the left is the same things out of the HuffPost, NPR, MSNBC (which was recently found to be more slanted than Fox, BTW). Some may be better off, I'm pretty much even, but most I know are worse. Very few better. But I can tell you that the ones that are better aren't better because of BamBam's policies - they're that way in spite of them.
Georgia Democrat
10:18 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Karsten, baby! Where you been, honey? You couldn't help it and finally decided to wade into the insult-a-thon? You can't answer or refute anything I write, so you call it drivel to cover yourself. For your clarification, I wrote that b/c the only guys who respond are the ones who insult me, call me names and/or write snark. It gets old. I know it's the moniker, but it would be more grown up to ignore and move on. Only in the South and the square states is the word Democrat so demonized. How can we expect Congress to work if we can't have a discussion board without the vitriol? If you want to respond with substance, be my guest, otherwise, butt out - not you, honey ;), but that's what I meant by that statement. That said, I will bark back, I just don't bark first. If you go back and read any of my original posts, you'll see I don't get into the personal insults to make a point or offer my views. But you send it my way, and I'll dish it back. I grew up in a household with 4 brothers; that's how I survived. I would like you a lot better if you didn't resort to calling our President schoolyard names. That's not necessary. When reports are slanted toward truth and facts, I don't mind. It's the lies and hypocrisy that's unacceptable.
Karsten Torch
2:31 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Yeah, I tried to avoid it as long as possible. I almost didn't, but couldn't help it. I wasn't sure who wrote that. I get your point, but I have to read your stuff to have any idea of whether or not I should ignore it or comment on it. But, I will admit, it's usually more fun than it is painful....
The part that I like about the Fox hate-fest going on is the fact that Fox actually has some of the most-watched shows, both on the TV and on the radio. For being so slanted and unworthy, it sure does get a lot of ears taking in what it says. That being said, I listen all the time. I do so with a fair amount of skepticism, however. I've learned to verify anything I didn't already know to be true. That also being said, I've learned to assume that everything that comes out of our illustrious leader's mouth is a lie. So when you talk about lies being unacceptable, I'm not really sure how you can still support him in any way...
Georgia Democrat
3:07 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
I hope some people like or agree with what I post, but I only get the flak in replies. I read Patch opinion pieces for a long time before I decided to enter the fray. There weren't enough of my people posting ;) It is a good place to express views & sometimes vent. Better than putting this stuff on FB! Fox is a good entertainment channel, I agree. I like a lot of their shows, just not the "news" or political shows. Nearly every doctor/dentist waiting room has it playing. Makes my BP go up before the doc even checks it. My brother-in-law is thoroughly R, but even he says he gets so depressed when he watches Fox news. You say you listen with skepticism & verify, but most don't - they get revved up. Therein lies the danger of false or biased coverage. What are you talking about when you say you "assume that everything that comes out of our illustrious leader's mouth is a lie."? Not liking him is one thing, so you probably can't stand the sound of his voice, but "lying"? Sorry, you're wrong about that. I support him b/c I believe he wants & works for the best for this country. Besides, Romney and Ryan both have been caught so many times on tape and in print lying and flip-flopping. Imagine my surprise when I saw this piece because it was actually written by a Fox pundit (token liberal, as I admit they have a few): http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/?cmpid=prn_aol&icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D199269
OICUR12
3:52 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
George, whether it's a lie, considered a lie or exaggeration, I think that people either trust / like Obama or they don't.
Me?
I don't think Obama likes successful people who get rich.
I don't think Obama was married by a preacher and sat in his church for 20 years without hearing the things that we have heard without going to the church.
I don't think Obama respects our military.
I don't think Obama respects our Allies.
I don't think Obama believes in our rule of law.
I don't think Obama respects our constitution which he swore to protect.
I don't think Obama thinks of America as the greatest country to live in.
I don’t think Obama knows how to make decisions and lead people.
I don’t think Obama knows what it takes to create and grow a business.
I don’t think Obama has a clue what it’s like to grow up in America like most of us do.
I don’t think I could ever vote for Obama and I question those who will.
Dave Emanuel
4:31 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
@OICUR12- I think you're right on target, but I'd like to add--. The only reason people vote for or support Obama is because of his affiliation with the Democratic party. If he were aligned with any other party, he would be condemned for his words and actions. I'm sure a Democrat could take a similar position with respect to Romney, but Romney has never and will never bring disgrace and embarrassment to this country the way Obama has. The problem isn't that Obama is a Democrat. the problem is that Obama is anti-America. It's unfortunate that so many Democrats don't see that. It's their country too, and their candidate of choice is driving it into the ground.
Karsten Torch
5:01 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
GaDem - look for me on facebook. Once friends, I'll invite you to the boards I'm on. Lots of libs out there. It's a lot of fun...
Athens Mama
5:28 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Georgia Dem ~ echo echo echo. I agree with every comment I've ever read from you here. Contrary to what people surmise about me ~ most everyone in my daily life finds me to be a very pleasant, intellectual, people-oriented, community-minded person, outlandishly responsible parent, etc. etc. etc. Would be nice to have a Patch Dems coffee sometime just to reinforce that yes, it's the happy people that actually care about the rest of America and not just our bank accounts. Slough off the hate ~ although easier said than done. I just mentioned to someone today that for a time I felt like the ugly ducking in one work environment. Now, in another one, I feel like the swan, and realize they were just ducks, or snakes really, all along. Your perspective can be temporarily colored by the "drivel" of those will tunnel vision. Natural, as long as it is only temporary.
Georgia Democrat
10:36 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
@OICUR12: You talking to me or George? Most of what you think isn't true, apparently. Your statements can & have been refuted. POTUS has the same rights as all to religious freedom. Separation of church & state, as directed by the Consitution should be protected. Our Founders didn't create or envision America as a Theocracy. Fact: he has shown more interest, compassion & done more for our military than his predecessor. Fact: he has mended many fences with our Allies that were disturbed or torn down by his predecessor. Fact: he is a constitutional law scholar. Pardon me if I trust him to know the subject better than the average American. Fact: America is his country, his wife's country and his daughters' country. You're wrong. Otherwise, he would live in that foreign country -Hawaii :D Fact: Obama has a lengthy list of accomplishments & achievements. Easy to check. He is a leader. His leadership is documented. Besides, you've heard the old saw, "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink." Congress is the horse. He has made many difficult decisions. Fact: it is not a requirement of the office of POTUS to be a businessman. Lots of businessmen have failed. Fact: Obama is a natural-born citizen of the USA. Documented! Hawaii became a state in 1959; he was born there in 1961. Fact: For God's sake - he grew up in America, so of course he knows what it's like. I could never vote for Mitt and I question those who will, especially the birthers.
Georgia Democrat
10:58 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
No thanks, Karsten.
Georgia Democrat
12:03 am on Friday, August 31, 2012
Dave, is that why Republicans will vote for Romney? Because he's a Republican? There are a lot of Republicans who won't vote for him. Romney has already brought disgrace and embarrassment to this country as a civilian. He got Mariott into trouble as their board tax auditor, having them use the "Son of Boss" method, which is illegal. He stashes his cash in foreign countries. Why, if not to avoid and evade what he should be paying in taxes? To hide the source of his income? All of the above? He really embarrassed the US and himself on his crash course to manufacture his foreign experience this summer - in London, in Israel, in Poland. The damage control attempted by his handlers won't erase that stuff. On tape, in print, on the 'net in perpetuity. Romney's words and actions show he's anti-America. The last thing America needs now or ever, is a Romney presidency. Well, maybe not the last thing - I can think of some who would be worse.
Larry Reid
12:10 am on Friday, August 31, 2012
There you have it Dave. You're not going to vote for Romney after all that are you?
Georgia Democrat
12:30 am on Friday, August 31, 2012
Thanks, Athens Mama. I'm a very level-headed, even-tempered person with a big heart. I read some of the posts on these political opinion pieces and wonder that America, the world, aren't in even worse shape! There are some really disturbed minds running around too close to home. I avoid debating or even discussing matters of politics or religion with family or friends. Those two subjects can damage relationships, so not worth the risk. I am not confrontational, but will stand up to stupidity and lies. It's unsettling when you can't avoid someone else's unnecessary comments - they just have to tell you their politics. No manners, no couth! Two of the bankers I deal with made inappropriate comments out of the blue. I don't ask for that. A colleague's assistant became shouting mad at me b/c I wouldn't agree with her right-wing theories thrown at me without provocation. People all around us have to display their political angst, in the grocery store, P.O., restaurants, anywhere. But, thankfully, not at my church. There people respect sensitivities. I'm taking a break from political interest after the election - a long one, at least 3 years. My home and church are my peaceful, politics-free zones, my havens - I know I won't be subjected to hate or insanity there. My husband and I discuss our political views, but we are on the same page :)
Racer X
7:34 am on Friday, August 31, 2012
OICUR12- Your posted sentiments are my own. We humans can rationalize anything in our minds that we want to because, by God, we are humans and we have such powerful brains. The truth is that, very often, words really mean nothing and are just the product of a person wanting to make their reality your own. Everyone is a salesman, everyone.
The internet has as much mis-information as it does real information. I only believe what I see and I have seen enough.
Lets take it to the voting booths in November and take down the absurdity that occupies the White House.
One day, with any luck, we will have a candidate for President that we can truly believe in, but for now our only decent option is Mitt Romney.
Sharon Swanepoel
5:06 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Karsten, honey, I think you need to bring your face out from behind that newspaper. :)
Athens Mama
10:26 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Or out of her *** ~ directly from her facebook page:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150772570963438&set=a.492468528437.266928.668593437&type=3&theater
Wow, taking the 100 seconds to review the photos posted by this person made me realize I will never spend another 5 seconds reading or responding to anything she ever posts again. I could almost hear "I'm a redneck woman, I ain't no high class gal......" resounding in the distance" as I viewed...
Hey, you put the invite out there....
Georgia Democrat
10:53 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Athens Mama, the "her" you're referring to is a he, I think - Karsten. Something is very wrong here. Don't understand your post. We have a hacker in our midst. That's a very serious violation.
@ Sharon: could you please send me a private email.
Jeff Banks
11:12 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Please don't drink and blog. The integrity you save my be your own.
Athens Mama
6:41 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
Did not realize that Karsten is a male. Still, Karsten's facebook page contains the above link. I do believe that this is the Karsten who posts on Athens Patch, because there are numerous friends from UGA and Gwinnett....Karsten posted an invite to his fb page. I visited the page and viewed the offensive material. Thought I would share...
Laura Cope
6:53 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
oh that's nothing today when our class was in the liberry i saw jimmie baker lookng under sally jacksons dress and she is only in the forth grade and thisother boy got 2 apples inthe lunchroom
Athens Mama
7:21 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
Ok Laura - sequence of events. Mr. (apparently) Torch regularly posts here - flagrantly conservative posts. On this particular article, Mr. Torch taunted Georgia Democrat, inviting this person to his facebook page. Upon visiting Mr. Torch's alleged page, the above link was posted.
John B
7:32 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
I didn't see anything offensive...weird...probably......
Georgia Democrat
8:01 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
@Athens Mama: I knew last night there was a hacker. I did not write this post:
"Me either. I just see Athens Mama sticking her nose where it doesn't belong." Seriously, does that sound like me?
@Sharon Swanepoel: Are you going to take care of this? The integrity of this thread has been compromised and the violators should be banned from all Patch posts and blogs! What kind of security does Patch have to address this breach? I knew last night that Karsten's FB invite was a prank at best, a serious security violation at it's worst. Maybe it wasn't Karsten, but one of the other idiots who post here. Please respond.
Athens Mama, thank you for explaining this incident to Laura. As I said last night, some of these posters are very disturbed. No damn wonder this country is so messed up. I do believe that they're in the minority - the trouble makers. Dear God, I want to believe that! Freakin' sickos!
Georgia Democrat
8:09 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
I think that Laura Cope's name may also have been hijacked. That post doesn't sound at all like the one I saw from her a while back. "Liberry" , "forth" grade? Those spellings are not of a teacher or a normal adult. Sorry, but that's the way I see it if Laura is the genuine poster of those comments. Not to mention, they don't fit the running commentary - make no sense. And, I didn't visit Karsten's FB page, I was not going to take the bait.
John B
8:15 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
Actually, I about fell out when I saw GD's post....absolutely not her. The best the Patch can do is ban IP addresses but folks can mask them if desired.
Athens Mama
8:17 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
I think the fb page is real - Damyn Swanpoel is one friend of 225 listed.
Laura Cope
8:25 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
GOOD GOD! Get over it. Who Cares?
Athens Mama
8:29 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
This person invited Georgia Dem to the page - page's posts demonstrate this person has little integrity, and this person's posts can no longer be seen as viable. I mean, if any of us found out someone was posting from inside a state pen, would we even respond?
Laura Cope
8:33 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
I don’t see Mark Zuckerberg complaining about it. How old are you? Does Athens GrandMama know you’re online?
Athens Mama
8:39 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
Mark Zuckerberg may not care, but as one who posts regularly on this site and invited bloggers to view his fb page - well, that's what it reflects.
Karsten Torch
5:22 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012
I have no idea what you people are talking about here. I made the invite to befriend me on facebook so that I could invite to some political blogs I regularly visit. Do. Don't. Don't really care. But there's a lot of liberals out there, a lot that I've been talking to for many years. It's a good, even mix.
Somebody else posted the paraplegic twister, and I stole it. Is there a point made by putting it out here?
And what are you guys talking about with "prank"? Or violation? How could it be either. Again, I'm not afraid to put out here who I am, like some others. And then we talk about trolls and hackers? Are you kidding me? Holy crap, get over yourselves. And feel free to grow a pair and put your real name out here. Or don't. But don't feel like I need to read your crap if you're too scared to step up....
Georgia Democrat
11:02 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
There are some seriously disturbed people posting on this thread. I have a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach.
Dave Emanuel
10:56 am on Friday, August 31, 2012
One thing you can always depend on with liberals is the relentless pursuit of irrelevance. In post after post that supports Obama, the basis for that support is the record of the Clinton administration. Apparently, these folks haven't noticed that Clinton has been out of office for over a decade and is not running for re-election. Clinton was and is far more conservative than Obama and his record has absolutely no relevance to Obama's failed policies. The continual reference to Clinton indicates that Obama's record offers nothing worth talking about.
Georgia Democrat
1:31 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
Dave, the relevance in mentioning Clinton is to show contrast between the disastrous Republican administrations which dominated the past 3 decades and Democratic admins. 30 yrs of deficit building happened primarily through R leadership and actions - accounting for 2/3 of 30 years. The great Clinton years were followed by 8 years of trauma brought on by Bush/Cheney/R policies and actions. Now, that's quite a contrast! Actually, I haven't mentioned him but a couple of times, once b/c of a comment by an R, and I haven't seen much from others. I think you're just more sensitive to anything Dem. From where you guys stand, everybody is far left b/c you're on the far right precipice, and you had to drag Romney there so he could win the nomination. Now, poor soul, he can't go back to the middle. On the contrary, I can assure you that support of Pres.Obama has nothing to do with Clinton's admin. Obama's record has many stellar achievements. That's easy to look up, too, on the 'net. You criticize Democratic acknowledgement of Clinton, yet the Rs continue to hail Reagan as a saint and martyr, though history has shown the folly in that. Have a nice LD w/e! Enjoy the DNC next week! Be sure and tune in so you can become enlightened.
Larry Reid
2:46 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
And that there Dave, proves your point about irrelevance. : )
Dave Emanuel
3:06 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
And the irrelevance keeps on comin'. @Georgia Democrat-- you still refer to the past as if it is a portent for the future. I have said before that both Republicans and Democrats share responsibility for the continual increase in the national debt, but only Obama has created a 60% increase in the debt in 3-1/2 years. I have no problem with Democrats acknowledging Clinton. The problem I have is with the implication that Clinton actions justify voting for Obama. If you think Obama can lead the country out of its current situation, you're certainly entitled to that opinion. Personally, I don't think he's capable of leading a group of Boy Scouts on a 2-mile hike. As for his "stellar" achievements, playing golf, insulting our allies, apologizing for this country's successes, maintaining 8+% unemployment, squandering billions in taxpayer dollars. Yup, stellar alright.
Georgia Democrat
5:59 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
I'm so glad I'm not a Republican!!! :D
Racer X
7:26 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
Me too. If you were, it would make me an idiot.
Karsten Torch
5:23 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012
Oooh, like that one...Get em, Mike....
Georgia Democrat
6:21 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
But Daaaaave, if we don't remember the past, history will repeat itself. Romney wants to go back to the Bush II era. ;) Those times were only good for the super, duper wealthy. Not so for the shrinking middle and growing poor classes or all the soldiers who lost their lives or limbs, retirement and investment accounts, our neglected infrastructure, the sick or helpless, the mortgage and housing industries, etc. If you're in that category, I can certainly understand your thinking . . . low, low, low, low, low taxes. But that doesn't fix the lack of ethics and conscience that goes with it. Doesn't matter to me if you're an R. I'm happy as a Democrat. It's good for one's conscience. Are you happy, Dave? Are you, Larry? Doesn't sound like it. I'm not in the recruiting Dems business. I am a proponent, not an activist. Would be a wasted effort around these parts, anyway. Think, debate, vote however you will. I'm not trying to change your mind and you have no chance of changing mine. So, why are you even talking to me?
Karsten Torch
5:24 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012
How is stealing money from one group of people good for your conscience?
Georgia Democrat
7:48 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
Mike, I wove u:)
Georgia Democrat
8:14 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
NOTICE TO ALL WHO DARE POST ON PATCH: There is a hacker posting fictiously here, using the names of legitimate posters. It can happen to anyone, apparently, so it is not safe, especially to use your real name! It is a serious ethical violation. I sincerely hope that SHARON and the PATCH staff will investigate this breach. This is my last post unless and until I have confirmation that the problem has been resolved. ANY FURTHER POSTINGS FROM Georgia Democrat ARE NOT AUTHENTIC. Y'ALL HAVE FUN - A FEW SICKOS RUIN THE PRIVILEGES OF MANY. SHAMELESS BASTARDS! Proof of the underhanded ways of Republicans!
John B
8:30 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
A fair post GD up until the last sentence. Profiling Repulicans with such anger....your true colors are really coming out.
Racer X
10:49 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
GD- There is definitely a hacker here. Your best bet is truly to not post any more comments until Patch figures it out.
Tammy Osier
9:55 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
Athens mama - I found this on something else I was reading. This is something that really happened.
"The DC voucher program, passed by republicans in congress was an immediate success. Parents and students finally had the same chance as their more affluent neighbors....Students were excelling and thriving. When Obama came into office he ended this program, to the detriment of students in the area. Parents were furious, knowing it was a republican initiative that was helping their children to a better way of life."
This is something that Romney is running on. Just thought you'd like to know where he stands on education. I think you'll agree. I know I do.
Athens Mama
9:58 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
I know I my opinion on the GA charter schools and DC voucher program is not that of a typical liberal.
Sharon Swanepoel
11:03 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
Georgia Democrat, I have asked our product support to look into this. I was at the Loganville/Monroe Football game so I've only got back an seen this now. Hopefully they can figure it out. I sent you a private email. We encourage serious discussion, not violation of our terms of use. I am shutting discussion down until we have it figured out.
Sharon Swanepoel
11:52 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
I have suspended the second Georgia Democrat and Laura Cope, both who signed on in the last 24 hours using hushmail accounts. If either of you feel that this is in error and you were not posting with the intent of distorting the posts of someone else, please email me at sharon.swanepoel@patch.com.
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
1:41 am on Saturday, September 1, 2012
@ Sharon
Thank you - it can't be said you don't take care of your posters...
Tammy Osier
10:06 am on Saturday, September 1, 2012
John B- ditto. So, much for civil discussions. :)
Tammy Osier
10:07 am on Saturday, September 1, 2012
R - ditto too. Sharon is the best!
Racer X
1:05 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Sharon- Ditto from me, thanks.
Racer X
1:13 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Just for the record- That's four thank-yous from conservatives and zero from liberals. Hmmmmmmm.............
Sharon Swanepoel
1:25 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Please remember you do have the ability to flag something as inappropriate. Not just if someone posts a different opinion to you obviously, but if you see that someone has used offensive language or appears to be posting as you and is, in fact, not you. That way we get a heads up that something needs to be addressed. We can then see whether it is something that is universally offensive or just something a particular poster doesn't agree with and whether it is something that we indeed do need to delete and even suspend someone if necessary.
Jim Aspen
2:29 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Obama is Americas Imaginary Friend, Clint was right. We are not better off.
Just plain fair
4:17 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
I'm better off and I bet Clint is to.
Athens Mama
12:11 am on Monday, September 3, 2012
Thank you for your attention to the blog Sharon ~
Jim Aspen
5:41 am on Monday, September 3, 2012
NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-
NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-
NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-
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Brian Crawford
10:34 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012
The question isn't; "Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?" It's; "Are you better off than you were 12 years ago?" The answer is; "Hell no! But I'm gettin' there."
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
10:43 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012
So the question is just so painful that you have to punt a decade???
Oh yes we CAN!
PaulRevere
12:04 pm on Saturday, September 15, 2012
Better Off?
It"s 4 years FROM NOW!
That is the question.
The current Obama policies will:
1) Create $5 per Gal Gasoline.
2) 9% Unemployment. (Go ahead Google "Projected unemployment")
3) GM filing another Bankruptcy.
4) Another USA credit downgrade. (that will cause rise in Interest rates)
5) Credit downgrade will make Home prices decline again--All homes will have lower values in 4 years.
6) Your employer will be paying way more for your Health insurance
(Your job is in jeopardy) (employers will need to choose the best employees)
7) Prices of everything you buy will go up. (That's Inflation)
8) Anyone earning more than $75,000 per year will be paying higher taxes because once Obama gets re-elected, HE WILL SAY THAT HE NEEDS MORE PEOPLE TO SUPPORT TAX INCREASES>
So People who voted for Obama in 2008 and do not see he is begging to forgive him for not getting us on track , will be falling for all the above traps.
He is NOT running on a job well done. He is running as a PARTY CANDIDATE.
Obama is campaigning all over again, as if he never had a chance to prove what he has done.
Pity those of you who vote "democratic" just because of the party, while risking your future for the last time.
America is literally burning in the middle east.
That , people is something to ponder.
IT's NOT THE---"BRITISH ARE COMING" this time around.
Go figure who is coming?!!!! IN 4 YEARS
Just plain fair
12:27 pm on Saturday, September 15, 2012
You have a good break down here but what will happen in the next 4 years if Rommey take office.